[pavyracer]

What the fukk is this new program trying to subsidize mortgage payments? Don't we already have this in the projects? Is his plan to make the whole country a big project? Does he think by paying people's mortgage they will get off their ass and go find a job?

This has to be the most ridiculous idea that I ever heard since the creation of communism.

[Dbldown11]

actually the people that tried to destroy the country were the banks and lending institutions that gave out hundreds of thousands of bad loans that they new people would default on just to make a quick buck.....Obama just has the tough job of trying to fix everyone else's problems..

Let me guess you voted for Bush twice? He had lots of programs that worked wonders for this country didnt he?

Are you also one of those republicans that claim the "New Deal" was a horrible plan and would have destroyed this country if not for WWII?......

republicans are blind.....sheep like idiots

[pavyracer]

I bet on Obama -110 for $1500. Do a search on this thread.

[wtf]

well i guess he told you pavy

[Dbldown11]

The worst part is that after 4 years of Bush doing his best to DESTROY this country idiots like you voted him into office for another 4 years...But not even a month into Obama's presidency and before his plans even take affect you idiots get on his case saying he is destroying the country.

Peaple like you (and there are waaaaay too many) are the ones that are going to destroy this country

[Robust]

whoa buddy!

if people lose their house, property values decline, less taxes paid, less money for the gov't. If they are homeless, it is harder to keep a job, less taxes, more welfare..

The plan is to help with mortgages to offset some BAD interest rates and other preditory practices used by banks in the year leading to this mess.

would you rather have a few hundred/thousand people in your city beggin, getting welfare, prostituting, inevitably using drugs, then stealing... or help them pay their house and keep them working and honest?

my 2 cents.

Robust

[Dbldown11]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I bet on Obama -110 for $1500. Do a search on this thread.

.....that's a lot different than voting for him. That just means you knew he'd win...not wanted him to win

[wtf]

lay it on dbldown, pavy is our resident know it all

[pavyracer]

Paying people's mortgages is not the answer. Give me one reason why should I go to work tomorrow if Obama is going to pay for my mortgage?

[Dbldown11]

I've noticed wtf....but anytime I ask him to make a valid argument or point with evidence about anything he goes silent......ODD HUH???

[ryanXL977]

bush ruined it, it will take yrs to fix, if ever

[Dbldown11]

I havnt looked over the plan yet.....but i guarantee you he is not just "paying peoples mortgages"...they realize if they do that everyone would default on their loans to get them paid. (or at least people that didnt care about their credit)

[wtf]

pavy your a fuking hypocrite full of shit problem child

i posted a thread a few days ago about US government paying 125k to fix some illegal aliens sex problems, you said you dont mind using your tax dollars for that

but paying mortgages DOES BOTHER YOU

go fuk yourself closet fag

[Sinister Cat]

Wish when I'd bought a house back in '07 I'd bought one I couldn't afford, so the gov't could subsidize it.

[Dbldown11]

"The White House is considering a proposal to head off potentially millions more home foreclosures by using federal funds to buy up at-risk loans and then refinance them with more affordable terms."

That is the quote from MSNBC....get a brain Pavvy...That is nothing like "PAYING PEOPLE MORTGAGES"...

all that is doing is giving people a chance to make an affordable payment so more and more and more people dont get forclosed on...Since the banks that put our country in this mess and got BILLIONS of our dollars (which your boy BUSH gave them without any rules on how to spend it) wont refinance these loans and dont care to do their part to get us out of the mess they created

[pavyracer]

Obama is turning the country into Soviet Union. They had subsidized government mortgage payments and we all know what happened to them. If some idiot that made $30,000 a year bought a $300,000 house with interest only payments why does the government have to rescue him by subsidizing his mortgage payment? If people don't pay for their stupidity this will be happening all the time.

[Sinister Cat]

Originally Posted by wtf

pavy your a fuking hypocrite full of shit problem child

i posted a thread a few days ago about US government paying 125k to fix some illegal aliens sex problems, you said you dont mind using your tax dollars for that

but paying mortgages DOES BOTHER YOU

go fuk yourself closet fag

actually he (and I, and probably others) said in that thread that the gov't shouldn't be paying 128k for any sex offender treatment, whether they are an illegal alien or not.

[Dbldown11]

To Pavvy and Sinister: No one is saying these are optimal conditions and obviously in normal circumstances the government shouldnt get involved...However these are not normal circumstances and the government has to get involved. Or we could just sit back and let our country crubble

[Sinister Cat]

Originally Posted by Dbldown11

"The White House is considering a proposal to head off potentially millions more home foreclosures by using federal funds to buy up at-risk loans and then refinance them with more affordable terms."

That is the quote from MSNBC....get a brain Pavvy...That is nothing like "PAYING PEOPLE MORTGAGES"...

all that is doing is giving people a chance to make an affordable payment so more and more and more people dont get forclosed on...Since the banks that put our country in this mess and got BILLIONS of our dollars (which your boy BUSH gave them without any rules on how to spend it) wont refinance these loans and dont care to do their part to get us out of the mess they created

What is the difference? Okay. I want a more affordable mortgage. Is the gov't going to help me out? No. Why? Because I wasn't stupid enough to buy a house that I couldnt' afford in the 1st place. Is that fair?

[Sinister Cat]

Originally Posted by Dbldown11

To Pavvy and Sinister: No one is saying these are optimal conditions and obviously in normal circumstances the government shouldnt get involved...However these are not normal circumstances and the government has to get involved. Or we could just sit back and let our country crubble

I agree that it's possible that it's best the government do something. But why reward bad decision-making in the process?

[Dbldown11]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Obama is turning the country into Soviet Union. They had subsidized government mortgage payments and we all know what happened to them. If some idiot that made $30,000 a year bought a $300,000 house with interest only payments why does the government have to rescue him by subsidizing his mortgage payment? If people don't pay for their stupidity this will be happening all the time.

You dont think the banks have any responsibility here? Correct me if I'm wrong but it is their job to decline people if they can't afford a loan...Underwriters have that exact job. Instead they put all these loans through. But hey lets bail them out and leave all OUR FELLOW CITIZENS screwed

[nosniboR11]

Hey doubledown, do some homework and get an education, these banks were made to give these loans to these poor people, by your own democrats, you are an IDIOT.

[Dbldown11]

They arent rewarding it....they are simply doing what's neccessary. And you could get your mortgage has bad terms to begin with and it was a PREDATORY LENDING, and you want to stop making your payments and ruin your credit. It's not like these people are having their slate cleaned completely.

[Dbldown11]

Originally Posted by nosniboR11

Hey doubledown, do some homework and get an education, these banks were made to give these loans to these poor people, by your own democrats, you are an IDIOT.

ummmmm.....not true

[pavyracer]

This is how the capitalist system works: Those that can't make money they fail. All banks that can't make any money because of greed and bad loan policies should be left out in the cold to dissolve. All mortgage owners that live in houses they can't afford because of bad mortgage decisions they should be foreclosed and learn how to save 20% down before they move out of their apartments.

The capitalist system worked in this country for 250 years. Why change it now to communism and try to help every stupid mortgage holder and every stupid bank that exposed themselves to unnecessary risk?

[ryanXL977]

reagan said medicare and medicaid would turn the usa into the ussr. so when the conservatives are ever right about anything, i mean just one single thing, then that will be the first time

[Robust]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

This is how the capitalist system works: Those that can't make money they fail. All banks that can't make any money because of greed and bad loan policies should be left out in the cold to dissolve. All mortgage owners that live in houses they can't afford because of bad mortgage decisions they should be foreclosed and learn how to save 20% down before they move out of their apartments.

The capitalist system worked in this country for 250 years. Why change it now to communism and try to help every stupid mortgage holder and every stupid bank that exposed themselves to unnecessary risk?

ok.. lets say all this happens.. they let the mortgages go into foreclosure.. they let the banks fail..

write up something on how this was a good thing. How does your neighborhood look? do you still have a job? whats the crime rate like? can you walk safely to the store? how about your loved-ones?

paint me a picture and let me see your vision on how letting this happen is a good thing or the right thing or how a capitalist system should be..

Robust

[ryanXL977]

capitalism for the poor
socialism for the rich

thats where we are
i wish people would stop with talking points about things they dont grasp
not saying pavy doesnt, but we dont have a free market in any way shape or form and never will

[BestPlay2day]

Originally Posted by Sinister Cat

Wish when I'd bought a house back in '07 I'd bought one I couldn't afford, so the gov't could subsidize it.

No shit, I should of bought a 5 bedroom 4 bathroom new house a couple of years ago on an interest only loan. Not everyone should own a house, if you make $25,000 a year you shouldn't be able to have a $300,000 home. Plus think of all the dumbasses that make this and somehow have a $30,000 car, 2 plasma tvs and every credit card maxed out.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by Dbldown11

The worst part is that after 4 years of Bush doing his best to DESTROY this country idiots like you voted him into office for another 4 years...But not even a month into Obama's presidency and before his plans even take affect you idiots get on his case saying he is destroying the country.

Peaple like you (and there are waaaaay too many) are the ones that are going to destroy this country

[ryanXL977]

you guys do understand the value of the dollar is going to go down, and the debt will be paid off one way or another, via wars or some other bullshit bank practice. youre going to pay one way or another. it sucks bc a lot of us have carried no debt for the last 8 years while everyone has lived high on the hog and blindly supported this bankrupt war for dollarsand votes.

[jjgold]

Minorities are going to get everything in this thing

[fiveteamer]

God bless Obama.

If banks get a bailout, why not Pedro the dishwasher.

[MonkeyF0cker]

If you bail out the lending institutions, you have to restructure the mortgages too. You can't bail out one and not the other. This debate has long passed. This is a necessary course of action as an extension of the financial sector bailout, even though I disagreed with the original bailout to begin with. And FYI, the banks are to blame for this, not any individual party. Stop with the partisan BS. The bill that allowed preditory mortgage lending was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by Clinton. Blame the lending lobbyists and the greedy banks. You should already know your politicians are bought and paid for with the current political ruleset. We got freerolled by the financial sector. Simple as that.

[fiveteamer]

MF, this is why you made it.

god bless your post.