[derek]

so what is the next step for screwed no juice customers??
I had 2,600 stolen and i have no idea where to go from here.
Now that they packed up and ran can I assume i'm 100% ****ed or is there still some hope?

[SBR_John]

We will continue to pressure tow to come clean with this scam and return the players money they received to promote this scam. That money is not theirs and should be returned.

They probably still have money in reserve with Neteller as well.

[Illusion]

SBR Bill Dozer reports: NoJuice Sports (SBR rating F-) vacates office.
The sportsbook’s website has been off-line since Sunday. Players who have been owed for months have feared the worst. SBR has returned to the sportsbook’s location in Oficentro La Sabana and has confirmed that the sportsbook has literally closed its doors. Neighbors tell SBR that NoJuice packed up the few pieces of equipment it had "a few days ago." It is likely financial processors have finally stopped servicing the scam, eliminating the potential for the book to steal from others.

[Uncle B]

roberto is now blaming the delays in helping the NJ/TOW victims, on the DoJ/BoS situation.



seriously.

[Kimmy]

It's the usual shambles at TOW.

First it was "everything will be ok - we don't see any problems"

Second it was "we aren't sure but feel everything will be ok "

Third it became " oh shit - but we have a list of books who will rescue the situation "( gulp)

Now they are in denial blaming the legal BOS situation. They are also VERY quiet about thier insurance even though it's obvious the book has gone south.

Who's going to give me odds about no insurance payouts because of a technicality.

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by Kimmy

It's the usual shambles at TOW.

First it was "everything will be ok - we don't see any problems"

Second it was "we aren't sure but feel everything will be ok "

Third it became " oh shit - but we have a list of books who will rescue the situation "( gulp)

Now they are in denial blaming the legal BOS situation. They are also VERY quiet about thier insurance even though it's obvious the book has gone south.

Who's going to give me odds about no insurance payouts because of a technicality.

"insurance"


did anyone ever really believe this 'funds safety' fairytale?


how many 'players' were paid out, from the betonstars/tow scam? 2 or 3, supposedly?

funny how i can't get any forum regulars to step up, and say, "i got paid through the tow funds safety plan".


this whole charade is just getting uglier by the day.


scam after scam promoted and assisted, scam victims openly ignored, or even blamed for the messes.


what a low point for the offshore forumworld. never seen anything like this tow fiasco, never..nothing even close really.

[yokspot]

I believe the registered Stars players did receive their alloted cut of the insurance.

That said, I`m spectacularly unimpressed with the current situation.

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by yokspot

I believe the registered Stars players did receive their alloted cut of the insurance.

That said, I`m spectacularly unimpressed with the current situation.

right.


supposedly, two phantom players recieved a predetermined amount from the "funds safety" thing.


so, we have roberto assisting this scam shop for months, waving off warning after warning, promising everyone that betonstars was "just fine", all the while, collecting a monthly advertising fee.


betonstars does jump ship, as expected, and all roberto does (supposedly) is pay a two 'players' some token sum?



so, how much of the players money, did roberto pocket?

i mean, that is exactly what he wound up doing, he took players post-up monies, for displaying the betonstars banner...even though, he was fully aware that betonstars had NO financial backing whatsoever.


well, i hope he knew at least.. i knew, John knew, pretty much everyone who knows anyone in CR knew the situation, lt's hard to imagine this "industry insider" was really as completely clueless as he portrayed.


So, forgive me if i am not impressed with roberto's supposed token payments to 2 of the tow/betonstars robbery victims... roberto pocketed everyone elses post-up cash, without batting an eye.



and, just out of curiousity, who exactly were these two "players" he paid?


i never saw anyone come forward, claiming to have gotten a piece of the insurance pie.

[JoshW]

I understand people are upset with how Roberto handles bailouts in lieu of insurance, but I know No Juice players, myself included, are looking for any help no matter who it comes from. He shouldn't be able to get out of any committment to players, but additional help from whoever is most appreciated.

[halix]

Originally Posted by ogdnutts

and, just out of curiousity, who exactly were these two "players" he paid?

i never saw anyone come forward, claiming to have gotten a piece of the insurance pie.

ogd, thanks for the reminder...

http://www.towforum.com/online-sport...processed.html

[yokspot]

Originally Posted by lakerfan

I understand people are upset with how Roberto handles bailouts in lieu of insurance, but I know No Juice players, myself included, are looking for any help no matter who it comes from. He shouldn't be able to get out of any committment to players, but additional help from whoever is most appreciated.

I believe there is a good chance Roberto will secure us a deal from somewhere. I admit I find it extremely irritating that no sooner than apparent bailout deals are secured they put them on hold because the BOS crook got himself behind bars. Still, for the time being I believe TOW remains our most promising hope.

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by halix

ogd, thanks for the reminder...

http://www.towforum.com/online-sport...processed.html

i'll take a wild guess here.


you recieved the $503.00 payment?


either way, you were still robbed of 3500$+ ?

[halix]

Originally Posted by ogdnutts

you recieved the $503.00 payment?

No, I got 2500$ (minus fees) out of the TOW insurance program.
Yeah, unfortunately the remaining 3.5k+ are still in limbo.

[Uncle B]

it appears as though roberto's darling book, legendz, is going to assist him in his latest scam.


what a shame.



the people applauding this thief, for this supposed "bailout" deserve what they get, imo.


what a charade.


these people posted up with this scam shop, nojuice, under the impression that they were covered by some sort of "insurance" through tow.


where are those 'insurance' funds?


instead, they are going to be required to post up more funds, and be subjected to more rollovers?


hell of a scam.

[SBR_John]

It was pretty easy to see that Rob would get the players a bonus instead of a bailout. A bonus is certainly no bailout but its better than nothing.

The insurance?? I guess there were a couple that thought that might not be a scam... I dont know any though.

[Doug]

It's a pretty rough rollover with 20 cent bases lines. I wouldn't be breaking down the doors for a large 100% bonus with a 10X roll and full vig. Tough to send in 5-10k for it because you will have no chance to get out in one bet. You'll have to complete that rollover.

It's worth something but not anything like just getting cash.

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by Doug

It's a pretty rough rollover with 20 cent bases lines. I wouldn't be breaking down the doors for a large 100% bonus with a 10X roll and full vig. Tough to send in 5-10k for it because you will have no chance to get out in one bet. You'll have to complete that rollover.

It's worth something but not anything like just getting cash.

especially not when the players are entitled to $2,500 cash, from the "funds safety" program they put their faith in, before signing up with this scam outfit.


why the players aren't demanding their insurance payouts from tow, is beyond me.





the ones 'thanking' tow for this pathetic excuse for a 'bailout', deserve to be screwed.

[chano]

Originally Posted by Doug

It's a pretty rough rollover with 20 cent bases lines. I wouldn't be breaking down the doors for a large 100% bonus with a 10X roll and full vig. Tough to send in 5-10k for it because you will have no chance to get out in one bet. You'll have to complete that rollover.

It's worth something but not anything like just getting cash.

At least he is bailing the players out, This is better than nothing

[Uncle B]

it isn't a 'bailout', by any standard.

it is a glorified bonus.


thats it, a bonus, complete with post-up, and rollover requirements.



"bailout"



what a crock.

[chano]

Originally Posted by ogdnutts

it isn't a 'bailout', by any standard.

it is a glorified bonus.


thats it, a bonus, complate with post-up, and rollover requirements.



"bailout"



what a crock.

I agree, you are correct, but this at least this allows the player to get his balance back from the troubled book. I am sure everyone will take this opportunity. Wouldn't you ?

[chano]

Originally Posted by Doug

It's a pretty rough rollover with 20 cent bases lines. I wouldn't be breaking down the doors for a large 100% bonus with a 10X roll and full vig. Tough to send in 5-10k for it because you will have no chance to get out in one bet. You'll have to complete that rollover.

It's worth something but not anything like just getting cash.

Last I remember, you joked about how you had like 50 cents at these books. You posted your account and balance. Why share your dumb thoughts, If you are not involved. Please, go do something worth while, go knit a sweater or something.

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by chano

I agree, you are correct, but this at least this allows the player to get his balance back from the troubled book. I am sure everyone will take this opportunity. Wouldn't you ?

no, probably not, to be honest.


if i wanted a high-rollover required bonus, with a relatyively unproven shop, i could find one better than the one being shoved down the victims throats here.


20cent baseball, and, a 20 time rollover?

screw that, i'd have suffered enough with the b4a's crap, to put myself through those hoops.


what i would be deamnding, is my $2500 cut of the "insurance" fund.


roberto and co. pocketed $40,000 of player post up funds, that money should be given back to the players, as promised.

[chano]

Originally Posted by ogdnutts

no, probably not, to be honest.


if i wanted a high-rollover required bonus, with a relatyively unproven shop, i could find one better than the one being shoved down the victims throats here.


20cent baseball, and, a 20 time rollover?

screw that, i'd have suffered enough with the b4a's crap, to put myself through those hoops.


what i would be deamnding, is my $2500 cut of the "insurance" fund.


roberto and co. pocketed $40,000 of player post up funds, that money should be given back to the players, as promised.

Tell me, where can I get a 100 % bonus with a 10x rollover, Do any books offer this. I sure as hell would take it. So don't tell me you wouldnt take it . You probably are not affected by any of these troubled books, so Its easy for you to say you wouldn't take this kind of bailout. You are the only one that would say "NO". This is one of the most foolish statements of the year. Get Real.. Also, Legendz is a pretty good shop, they are definetly a proven shop. OGDNUTTS, lets make some intellectual posts here, please..This is obviously another shot at TOW and you are missing the point here, for your personal quarrels with TOW.

[Doug]

100% bonus at full vig is good if you have a balance small enough that you can attempt to bet both sides of a game and get out of it quick.

If you pick 50% and roll out of it the way they want you to, you lose the entire bonus ( bailout).

Take $1,000 deposit and $1,000 bonus and -110 lines and 100 equal plays.

risk $220 to win $200 on all. Go 50-50

50 winners X200 = +10,000
50 losers X220 = -11,000

Balance is now the $1,000 you sent in. Where's your bailout ?

You'd have lost $500 betting at -105 and going 50-50. So the offer has some value but many will lose the bonus here, and possibly some of the post-up.

Chano, I had significant money at NJ at one time. I got out in time the first time they slow-paid me.

This deal is better than nothing, but it will be nothing for many.The 5X no match, no winnings deal by Royal is much better than the Legends deal.

Lets see Ganchrow's take on it since he's the math expert.

[Doug]

In my opinion for a guy with a 5 figure balance ( that will have to complete the rollover) this offer is the equivelant of offering you a no-vig line for awhile since 50% winners loses the bonus.

[Doug]

bump for Ganchrow, want to see his opinion.

[yokspot]

Originally Posted by ogdnutts

it isn't a 'bailout', by any standard.

it is a glorified bonus.


thats it, a bonus, complete with post-up, and rollover requirements.



"bailout"



what a crock.

Kinda. A solvent book is offering to substitute their funds for our funds in an insolvent book. Basically, it's a bonus - but they're "bailing out" the balances all the same.

Still, it's not ideal for either the bailout book, who stand to lose some money to sharp play, or the players, who also stand to lose money they should never even have to be risking any more. If Roberto pays out on the FSP, it becomes mega-non ideal for him, but ideal for players and bailouters.

Either way, there are losers.

[Doug]

No criticism to the bailout books ( Legendz or Royal). They offer something to the offended players and aren't responsible for the other books failure in any way. That something they help with ( esp. in the Legendz deal) is nothing like CRIS doing RCS str8 out.

It offers very little to a guy with 10 dimes at NJ. Early Royal 5X was a sweet deal, terms probably got worse later.

Royal gets respect from me for what they are doing. Bailout books are stepping up and being cool, but can't give the store away and outright pay for NJ types of operations.

Legendz is not putting their (_Y_) on the line extremely far, IMO !

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Doug

bump for Ganchrow, want to see his opinion.

Ganchrow ?