[szk1983]

I have read in this forum and several others very negative feedback about betonsports.com. Now I use them, and have requested and received close to ten thousand dollars in payouts this week with little problem. I have never had any problem with them. Why is there such negativity about them?

[BigDog]

I have read in this forum and several others very negative feedback about betonsports.com. Now I use them, and have requested and received close to ten thousand dollars in payouts this week with little problem. I have never had any problem with them. Why is there such negativity about them?

Just a matter of time my friend.....You'll have a VERY different report in the near future if you continue winning like that @ BOS......GL though

[szk1983]

thanks for the reply. I appreciate your concern, but should I really be afraid? I mean, if they wanted to screw me, why not do it already?

[BigDog]

they have to see what kind of player you are first.....I'm just saying that their history is TERRIBLE when it comes to treating winning customers properly

[Brooks]

I have read in this forum and several others very negative feedback about betonsports.com. Now I use them, and have requested and received close to ten thousand dollars in payouts this week with little problem. I have never had any problem with them. Why is there such negativity about them?

hey szk, you have to understand how the forums work to understand the BOS situation. no one wants to go against the mob mentality because things become so vicious.

also there are many scammers out there and they usually yell the loudest because they know the same thing could happen to them.

i have a feeling your good experience at BOS can be attributed to a few things tho that maybe your not even familiar with.

first you probably dont have a line service where you can pick off the slow moving BOS numbers.

and secondly you dont have other people using your computer to make wagers

most of the problems ive seen over the last year industry wide have been with ip addresses. while it is true a friend could be over and placing a wager it raises a giant bullseye on the account holder.

its good to hear you have been having some luck there and hope it continues however i would stick with pinnacle, wsex, matchbook, mansion, cascade, betjamaica, and cris in the future then you will be able to sleep better.

[szk1983]

Well i don't use any line service, and nobody else uses my computer, so should i be safe?

[Brooks]

Well i don't use any line service, and nobody else uses my computer, so should i be safe?

i think your fine but please keep us posted as you would be the poster child for the BOS haters if they screwed with you and i would join in the fray

the only thing, if you are withdrawing that much money you should be more diverse and have a few different accounts to make sure you always get the best number

[JC]

They have a terrible reputation because they have stiffed several players in the past, including one for $500,000. But if it's not happpening to you what difference does it make?

Don't support stiff books!

[Brooks]

They have a terrible reputation because they have stiffed several players in the past, including one for $500,000. But if it's not happpening to you what difference does it make?

Don't support stiff books!

hey jc

the 500k was before my time but have no doubt that it happened.

this guy just wanted to make sure his money was safe and i wanted to ease his mind abit as i had sleepless nights over panam.

i hope matchbook is doing well as they are my favorite.

[szk1983]

first off thank you everybody for your replies. And although I have not had any trouble with bos yet, my money is in there, so i don't want any future trouble. Bottom line, is that i enjoy using them. When I tried to make my first withdrawal, it took them around an hour to confirm that i met the rollover requirements, but from then there was no trouble. I requested a ** withdrawal and had the confirmation \# in my hands the next day. The following day, I requested a ******* withdrawal, and had the money in my ******* account withing three hours. Now although I had two positive experiences, I don't want the third, fourth, or the hundreth to be negative. From what I've read, most issues with them are with "steam bettors", or from bettors who do something with IP addresses. Although I am a frequent bettor, and I bet several dimes per game, I am a recreational bettor. I don't follow line changes or anything like that. That's why I just want to be sure. With the size of their operation, and the marketing that they do, I was shocked to hear of any problems at all. It's just bad business sense. Well, keep the comments coming. Thanks again

[freebie]

You're a recreational player, but bet several dimes a game?

Interesting player. Keep up the good work, my friend.

[szk1983]

when i say "recreational", i mean it that I am not a proffessional. 3000 is a lot to wager recreationally, but it's not like i make 10000 deposits. I normally make a 1-3 thousand dollar deposit, and try to build it up, so that i am eventually betting 3-5k a game. By "recreation", i mean i have no interest in line changes or such. this wis probably dumb to most of you, but for me, if i like a game, i don't care what the line is. with my most recent bos deposit, i deposited like 800 dollars, started by betting between 100 and 300 per play. I had a 12x rollover requirement, which i met. after i met the requirement, i started making my withdrawals, with no problems.

[slacker00]

szk1983,

I've also had nothing but good experiences at BOS, but I'm also a believer in SBR ratings. I try to stick to books like Pinnacle, because it just makes it easier to sleep at night, with all of the rumors going around. I still play at some of the lesser books from time to time, but 50% of my sports BR is in Pinnacle most of the time.

[szk1983]

hey guys. quick bos update. i pulled out 5k this morning via *******. It was in my account this afternoon. that's three withdrawals in the last five days. so far so good. wish me luck

[Chuck Sims]

BetOnSports has stiffed many players. Even with that knowledge you have suckers sending these crooks money. Maybe Senator Kyl and Goodlatte are right, they know whats best for us. Go ahead and ban internet gambling. Maybe that will stop the suckers from sending money to these crooks.

[szk1983]

Please understand my situation. I know that bos has refused payouts for players in the past, and am in no way defending them for doing such. But there are two sides to every story, and with the amount of customers that they have, what percentage do you think are actually screwed? I'm sure it's a very tiny amount, or there is no way they would be in business. and i don't think that bos just decided to pick on these customers for no reason. But the only people that post on this forum for the most part are people that get screwed, not people that get paid. Well I am just sharing my experience. I have gotten paid with no problem, and quite swiftly. Whether that makes me lucky, or means I am playing by their rules, what reason do i have not to endorse this book?

[Doug]

why not play at better books like Pinnacle, Mansion, and matchbook ? The lines are better and your funds are safer. Matchbook paid me in an hour tonight.

I wouldn't even consider playing there again.

[szk1983]

doug,
good question, one that i can't really answer. I have used pinnacle, and the experience was a pleasure. But i phone in my bets more than i make internet plays, in which case they don't have the reduced vig. i never had a problem with pinnacle, but at the same time, i never had a problem with bos. The only reason that i started this thread, was because at the present time, i have most of my funds with bos, and am predominately using them.

[slacker00]

I just made a small deposit with BOS for the "hell of it", and checked out their lines, etc. Goofy book, but they've got some pretty crazy prop bets, that seem kinda wide-open to get hammered. Here's an example:

How many total entrants will there be in the $10,000 Main Event at the 2006 WSOP?

Less than 6500 +2300

6500 - 6750 +1200

6751 - 7000 +900

7001 - 7250 +700

7251 - 7500 +400

7501 - 7750 +350

7751 - 8000 +230

8001 - 8250 +600

8251 - 8500 +600

More than 8500 +375

I've been following the WSOP this year, and I've already heard figures such as "8800" being a hard cap. You know they'll sell every ticket they can to hit the cap though. So, it seems like an easy money bet. My only wonder is whether somehow they cancel the bet or whatever. I don't hammer props like these, because I don't like to sweat the payout.

There's some other props, on T.O, and other NFL props that seem to have soft spots, IMO. WTF is up with this book? The lines just seem kinda wacky. I looked up the NFL odds to win the Super Bowl, and they were the squarest I've seen anywhere. I just don't understand this book & where it gets it's lines. The lines seem psychotic.

[doc]

wow easy winner Slacker. should I deposit, that is the question.

[koko]

Does anyone else think that it is a little odd that szk1983 signed up a few days ago and make his first posts praising a book that has a dubious rep?

Seems a bit fishy to me. Of course, I'm a bit of a newbie here myself, so what do I know?

[szk1983]

koko,
very perceptive. You got me. I work for/am getting paid off by bos. Keep up the great comments

[Ganchrow]

How many total entrants will there be in the $10,000 Main Event at the 2006 WSOP?

Less than 6500 +2300

6500 - 6750 +1200

6751 - 7000 +900

7001 - 7250 +700

7251 - 7500 +400

7501 - 7750 +350

7751 - 8000 +230

8001 - 8250 +600

8251 - 8500 +600

More than 8500 +375

You might well have some good edge on the over 8,500, but I'll just caution you that BoS is charging a whopping 36.11% vig on the prop. That's equivalent to a roughly -360/-360 line set.

[bboots]

Bottom line on BOS is...they WILL steal your bonus and a portion of your winnings if they feel you are a steam or pro player....any other class book will simply terminate the relationship..BOS is just a low class book

[BigDog]

I have to agree with what Chuck Simms is saying.....It doesn't matter if your experience is good or not....What matters is that you shouldn't be supporting a book that has screwed many players in the past and I'm sure many more in the future......f\*\*k BOS! Play @ a book that doesn't or never has screwed people out of their money......Again,f\*\*k BOS and their stupid ass family of books!

[szk1983]

i spoke to one of their payout managers regarding some of the things that have been said on these forums. He told me that most of the time that funds are taken away with relation to bonuses, someone opens two accounts in the bos family, they get a fifty percent bonus on each, bet against eachother, and try to collect the bonus. Well i am not a bonus whore, so this issue doesn't concern me. As far as steam players go, this manager told me that they never have just closed an account after one offense. They warn the player not to do it, and then if they continue to, they never just take the money away. They close the account and send the funds. The only time they take away funds, is funds that are directly associated with winnings made by bonus abuse.

[BigDog]

i spoke to one of their payout managers regarding some of the things that have been said on these forums. He told me that most of the time that funds are taken away with relation to bonuses, someone opens two accounts in the bos family, they get a fifty percent bonus on each, bet against eachother, and try to collect the bonus. Well i am not a bonus whore, so this issue doesn't concern me. As far as steam players go, this manager told me that they never have just closed an account after one offense. They warn the player not to do it, and then if they continue to, they never just take the money away. They close the account and send the funds. The only time they take away funds, is funds that are directly associated with winnings made by bonus abuse.

and what else would you expect the manager of BOS to say? You didn't really expect him to admit stealing money did you?

[isetcap]

Hey Taco, I wonder if you have any images of a certain pitcher you can post to help give us a better understanding of what is going on here.

[szk1983]

big dog,
of course i didn't expect that from the manager. But i didn't expect him to admit to any wrongdoing at all. And the cases that he described where funds were taken away, were exactly as described in these forums. It's not like he said that funds were never taken away.

[BigDog]

Hey Taco, I wonder if you have any images of a certain pitcher you can post to help give us a better understanding of what is going on here.

I couldn't have said it better my friend

[slacker00]

Thanks Ganchrow! Is there an easy way to make that calculation you made to establish the -360/-360 vig? I was wondering how different NFL Super Bowl futures vigs compare between Pinnacle/BOS/Mansion/etc. I'd also be interested to know the vig, if I took the best line between the top 10 books for all 32 NFL teams to win the Super Bowl. Getting kinda off topic, but I'd love to know how you calculated the number.

szk1983, you gotta realize you're posting on the SBR message board, and that BOS has a SBR rating of "D". "D" means

Poor, some risk to players funds. Poor customer service, etc

So, your line of reasoning and logic so far, by choosing BOS over, say, Pinnacle, is really slapping SBR in the face, or else calling yourself an idiot. I know John & Bill take their ratings seriously, and their business is basically tied to the correctness of their ratings, which is what makes SBR unique. Plus, most forum members here will agree with the SBR ratings, for the most part, otherwise why would we be here if we thought nothing about the ratings that SBR maintains? SBR's strength as a forum is in determining the relative strength of the various online sportsbooks.

I'm trying to be fair, szk1983, and I think I'm one of the more objective members here, but the only point you are making is that BOS hasn't scammed absolutely everyone... yet anyway. If you value money at all, transfer your money to Pinnacle. If you're just blowing through money you don't care about anyway, stick with BOS. Nothing wrong with recreational gambling with disposable money. It's just that we here at SBR tend to value making a long term profit, rather than taking inordinate financial risks with marginal books. You are preaching to the wrong choir here.

[szk1983]

Slacker,
Great stuff. I am not trying to disrespect you guys, or slap anyone in the face. If it's taken that way, I apologize. I'm not trying to downplay SBR ratings at all. And i'm not just trying to just defend bos. As i've mentioned, I have used pinnacle and never had issues. I think they are great. The only reason why I started to talk about BOS is because of the negativity i've read about them. And I understand that the negativity is there for a reason. All I am saying is, couldn't it be possible that the people that bos screwed around with were not completely innocent themselves? BOS is a public company, which I know in no way means that they are a good company. But with the amount of clients that they have, and the amount of clients that they have that get screwed, I find it hard to believe that BOS randomly decided to pick on and screw these people. I just feel that there must be something else to it. There are two sides to every story. As for me, I am not a professional, I don't chase bonuses, and I don't follow line moves. So I feel like I have nothing to be afraid of. I need phone support, which pinnacle doesn't offer. So why would I switch?

[slacker00]

Doc,

I wouldn't put your entire BR on that WSOP ME future just yet. I did a little more research last night, and I might have got my information wrong. There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus on how tickets to the WSOP ME they'll sell. Plus, I think Bodog has the same bet, so there must be something to it. I still maintain that BOS has some wacky props, but the example I gave was poor. I should have posted the T.O. props instead. I see they took down most of the T.O. props, now. One left though:

TO insinuates that Drew Bledsoe is gay before 02/04/07

Yes +750

No -2000

The "No" should be a slam dunk, but this prop will tie up BR for almost 6 months, getting a 5% return. Not worth the risk, even if BOS was rated A+++.

If you can imagine it, the other T.O. props were even more strange, but I can't seem to remember any of them.

[slacker00]

szk1983,

Good points, especially about the phone support issue, because I realize not everyone sticks strictly to web-based gambling as I do. Perhaps someone that needs and uses phone support could recommend a book other than Pinnacle, though, which would be better than a SBR D-rating. Anyone?

As for the BOS accusations, why don't we hear the same stories about Pinnacle, or any of the other SBR A-list? That's the crux of the issue here, I think. BOS has a history, while the higher rated books don't. This is purely a book grading issue, and I'll defer to John or Bill who can better give an explanation how/why certain books get the grades that they do. All I do, personally, is look at the SBR grades when I need a reference, and mention here in the forum if something obvious comes up, relating from my own experiences.

[szk1983]

Good point slacker. The only educated reason I could see as to why you see more complaints with bos then with the other books is that bos has by far the most clients. What I think should be looked at is not a hard number of customers who get screwed, but a percentage. For instance, there are far more murders in New York City each year then in St. Louis, but St. Louis has a much higher murder rate. The only other guess I have, would be that with all the vigorous marketing that bos does, they probably attract many more people who are don't know a thing about how internet gambling works, and just go after the bonuses. This is not saying that bos doesn't get what they deserve by going after this type of clientele. As opposed to a place like pinnacle, which would seem to attract the more experienced, savvy gamblers.