[steelerfan]

Are there really alot of small players that are getting bad treatment at BetUS?

I am just curious because I don't see those type of reports, only the big whigs, the people that are owed the serious cash.

BetUS sends out some really slick marketing materials, including a very nice swimsuit calendar. Costs alot of dollars. If they can afford that, why can't they pay small players that are owed less than $5k?

Just wondering...

[raiders72001]

BetRoyal, BetUS, Betonsports you have nothing to worry about if you play small and all have good reasons to play there. It's only the big guys that should worry.

[tacomax]

If a book tries to stiff their players, whether big or small, why on earth would you want to play there?

[TOW]

It doesn't really matter what kind of player you are, big or small, recreational or sharp.

Once a book stiffs 1 player, that's 1 stiff too many. No one can tell if they'll do it again, but if they will they'll have no problem doing it.

Stick to top books. You can't go wrong.

[sjelveh]

your right i have never had a problom with betgameday but playersonly they suck

[SBR_John]

Is BetUS a risky book for small players?

If you consider playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets dangerous then yes, they are a dangerous book.

[kalmikrazy]

jesse the body ventura endorses it, so stay AWAY!!!

[bigboydan]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

BetRoyal, BetUS, Betonsports you have nothing to worry about if you play small and all have good reasons to play there. It's only the big guys that should worry.

question:

what happens then when a small player gets red hot and wins $100,000 and they don't pay ????????


answer:

you get stiffed just like the rest of the players that won big did.

[jjgold]

No worries for small players at all

[bigboydan]

Originally Posted by jjgold

No worries for small players at all

what is the JJgold rating on this book ?

[jentude]

I don't like the way you people are treating " the body " he always tells it like it is

[bigboydan]

Originally Posted by jentude

I don't like the way you people are treating " the body " he always tells it like it is

he's a politician, so he's use to taking money from people and lying to the public

[jjgold]

C-

[Terris]

depends...if you get a big bonus deal, and your plans are to scalp it out - i sometimes go for that. Just dont play too big and go over 2000$ id say.
I would never play big at such books, not worth the hassle

[Captain K]

So, BetUS is kinda like Robin Hood then? Steal from the rich and give to the poor? At what point do they decide a player is large enough to stiff? And, why would anyone want to take a chance at being on the wrong side of the "cut"?

Funny thing, IMO, is that I don't get too many "slick" publications from top-rated books like Pinny or Olympic, but the mailbox was full before football season with stuff from BetUS, Badlands and Nine.com (that one did have some nice girlie pics, though).

[jentude]

I got over 100 pieces of mail from various sportsbooks in the mail this summer, it was crazy, but i did get a lot of free magazines with them so it was cool

[szlem]

jeez, the real question is: what do they offer that offsets their bad reputation and gives them advantage over top class books and is it worth the risk? Do they have wider offer, better lines, better bonuses, CS?

[Sean]

and is it worth the risk?

I don't think that players should EVER tolerate risk with regards to being treated fairly by a sportsbook ... period.

[jjgold]

If you bet $10, $20's a game the book is fine

Anthing else I would not play there

[TOW]

The fact they stiffed a legit player out of $25,000 should convince ALL players to stay away from them.

Saying that small players have no risk there contributes to keep these thieves in business.

Lets not forget that a small player can always hit an 8 teamer. Will he be paid ? Past experience says no.

[jjgold]

Good Point TOW

I wonder if any sites actually have them as an advertiser??

[SBR_John]

I dont think any top player advocate websites would take their stolen-player money. And any that do are just screaming that they don't care if their readers get scammed.

Most sites like stat sites & handicrapper sites, ect., don't care who they take because they just don't think their readers are smart enough to care.

[marc]

HEre is the thing youy always need to ask. Are you a player that expects to be a winner or a loser over the course of time. IF you are a player that generally loses, you probbaly have nothing to worry about when going to a book like betus. But, being that you are likely to lsoe, if would be nice, if you would support some of the more honest bookmakers.

Now if you are a player that plans on winning, tah its a question of rsik rewards. Lets say you send betus 2k, get a 45% frree play. Becuase of the restrictions on the free play, the 45% free play iw worth about 25% cash. So initally you are risking 2k, to get a $500 bonus. Now of course if you go and bet on a +1000, you might end up with 2k in your account. And now your risking 20k for a $500 bonus at a book with a shady past. In my mind, that would be foolish. Big dogs, and big parlays should only be wagered at top tier books. You always have to remeber, the more you win, the more liely you are to be stiffed.

Lastly, I would advise anyone who plays at betus to use thier credit card, as it will give you one extra layer of protection.

[tacomax]

That bastion of Sportsbook Watchdogs, Major Wager, has them as recommended. A shit site like that is just as bad as a shit book.

[jjgold]

Did not realize that Taxy

[SBR_John]

Borrowed from TOW www.theoffshorewire.com

The month long negotiation with BetUS began in a positive way.

Joey Rizzo realizes MFG was seriously wronged, however he did not want to simply pay him because he would have "admitted" his fault.

The idea was then to have MFG post up the payments he had received, BetUS post up the famous 25K. Funds would have been sent to a third party both MFG and BetUS trusted.

MFG's account would have been credited his original amount (64K), and he would have had to complete his rollover (98K). Whatever left in his account at fullfillment of his rollover, even if exceeding the original 64K, would have been his.

Both parties had agreed to these simple terms.

Three weeks went by to define which kind of action was MFG allowed to wager on to fullfill his rollover requirement, which maximum limits he would have been assigned and on which criteria the rollover would have been calculated.

Both parties agreed to all terms.

We finally got to the point in which MFG and BetUS would have had to sign and seal the deal, foreseen to be supervised by all major watchdog sites and sports portals.

At this very moment the unexpected happened.

BetUS refused to post up, despite the fact they had orginally AGREED to do so, because they "were good for the money" and "they would have been dumb not to pay MFG if all watchdog and portals were involved".

Foreman and Rizzo do not realize that they have provided enough evidence they couldn't care less of what the gaming community thinks or says about them. Evidence is that MFG has been reporting his case for years without them taking any step to correct the theft they made him object of.

In this scenario both MFG and myself told them no go. He doesn't trust them (and has more than a good reason not to), I was shocked that they reneged an essential part of the negotiation and I'm pretty sure they would have come up with other bs should MFG have entered the deal without them meeting the post up requirement.

This doesn't mean its over, nor it means that MFG has to write off his 25K.

Most bookmakers I've spoken to in my recent trip to Costa Rica express serious concern for BetUS business tacticts. Joey Rizzo and his partners are called with a variety of non flattering names, from "bad apples" to "scumbags".

What is certain is that not only BetUS has tried (I use the word tried because the case is not over and will not be over until Joey Rizzo pays) to stiff MFG, but their business tacticts are to the detriment of the industry as a whole. Thanks to these undue behaviours players lose faith in the industry. The damage caused by this situation is much wider than MFG's case.

Players have several ways to show their support to a fellow player who is being stiffed.

Punters with accounts at BetUS should close their accounts and withdraw all their funds.

Bettors that wish to boycott betUS should call them during crunch time on any given NFL Sunday and ask for rundowns and all sorts of information, jamming up their phone lines.

Watchdogs and players shall cooperate in all possible ways to show rogue books that thievery doesn't pay.

1 stiffed player is 1 too many

[tacomax]

Don't really agree with ringing up and wasting the time of the CS clerks - it's not their fault. Aside from that, a spot on article.

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Watchdogs and players shall cooperate in all possible ways to show rogue books that thievery doesn't pay.

Couldn't agree more with that.

[raiders72001]

MFG asked Shrink at the RX if he could help him and arbitrate the case. Shrink did an extensive back ground check and had a three way conversation with both BetUS and MFG. SHrink made a decision on the case and both MFG and BetUS signed a contract upon the amount that MFG was to be paid. BetUS paid MFG the agreed amount that was reached and signed. Immediately after receiving his money MFG broke the terms of the contract and wanted more money.
-------------------
Shrink

"I spent many days (not just hours) getting involved
for one of the players.

After I heard "BOTH SIDES", I ruled that one of
the players should received a 5 figure payout that was
rightfully his...

I didn't think he should receive any of the bonus
money because NASA gave me enough proof to believe
hewas not entitled to it...

The player agreed to my decision, and also agreed
thatonce he received the 5 figure payout, he would
NEVERcomplain about NASA on a forum, or through
litigation.

In other words, he agreed to HONOR a SETTLEMENT...

This did not happen! Nor did he ever hint to to me that he would not HONOR his word...

Immediately after he cashed the payout, he
renigged
onthe agreement that I had worked so hard on between
himself and Little Nasa..

I find it very hard to deal with these guys who seem
to be in cohoots with one another, especially when
it comes to posting, but perhaps even betting.

All you get to see on this forum is what each
party types, but believe me, there is much more to these
cases than can be printed in one thread (except
maybe one by Patrick's, lol)...

Once I give my "word" on a deal, then no matter what,
I have to honor it...

MYFOOTBALLGAME didn't do that and gives the lame
excuse he only agreed to the "settlement" in order
to get something back.

Furthermore, in the past, when I spend this much time to help gamblers, they'd be so appreciative. I ask for nothing back in return, excpet maybe a thank
you...

But to imply I am "on the take," and then to
deliberately start a thread about how great SBG
GLOBAL
is (when they both knew I was robbed for over 92k
by
them) shows just what type of characters we are dealing with"

[marc]

Here's the part of the deal I don't get. MFG posts up 39k, and Betus posts up 25k. Now MFG has a big roll he has to fullfill. It'squite possible he could end up with over 100k. But the third party is only holding 64k. Seems to me like MFG was still taking a risk that if he won, he'd be paid the additional winnings.

[raiders72001]

Seems to me like MFG was still taking a risk that if he won, he'd be paid the additional winnings.

true
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The only amount of money that MFG was not paid was his bonus money. It looks like he did not meet the rollover requirements, may have used the matchplay bonus in an illegal way by not using it for straight bets and he did not honor the contract.

[Bill Dozer]

Based on principle I can understand why MFG would not want to take this deal. It was originally offered after the other BetUs player was paid and there was hope that BetUs would do the right thing here as well.

Based on MFG's account history it was clear that the true debt was $25,000. Mike took what he thought were some valid arguments back to ownership but they weren't willing to move past this point.

If MFG is in a position to invest his time and money into a deal, everyone will support him. If BetUs follows through with this deal, which will be reviewed by multiple sites, MFG stands to gain most of his funds back.

The math of this deal says that MFG has a $25 000 balance with a 4x roll-over. This means that the value of what he is given is about $20,000 as he stands to lose about $5,000 in vig or the time it takes to find scalps at no loss. The reserve funds that BetUS may require have a very slim chance of coming into play if these wagers are small and frequent enough.

Mike has spoken with MFG last night. If MFG agrees to disagree with why he is going through with this process, we can hopefully put a viable agreement together. Talks should resume tomorrow.

BetUs is going on record as saying they will not limit his wagers or the type of action he is going to give them, including scalping. BetUs agrees that the odds are they will pay out more than 25k to this sharp player.

We would all understand if MFG wants his money free and clear but we would also cheer him on hoping that he can beat up the book once again 4 years later. Like Roberto said, many people are watching to see how and if this will finally end.

[raiders72001]

This has to be one of the biggest crocks of crap that I have ever read in my life. MFG is not a sharp player. He inhereted a lot of money and decided to start betting offshore.

His first book was BetUS and he joined the book because of the huge bonuses that they were offering.

This story gets funnier by the day. I can't wait to see what's written tomorrow.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

This has to be one of the biggest crocks of crap that I have ever read in my life. MFG is not a sharp player. He inhereted a lot of money and decided to start betting offshore.

His first book was BetUS and he joined the book because of the huge bonuses that they were offering.

This story gets funnier by the day. I can't wait to see what's written tomorrow.

It's irrelevant whether he's a multi-billionaire or a tramp, whether he's a sharp or a square or whether he joined a book because of a bonus or not.

If they stiffed him, they stiffed him. That's the most important criteria here.

[OldeTymePlaya]

No reason for anyone to use BetUS

[Brick Tamland]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

This has to be one of the biggest crocks of crap that I have ever read in my life. MFG is not a sharp player. He inhereted a lot of money and decided to start betting offshore.

His first book was BetUS and he joined the book because of the huge bonuses that they were offering.

This story gets funnier by the day. I can't wait to see what's written tomorrow.

Raiders, What does your opinion of someone have to do with the crooks at Betus.com??