[Mudcat]

The purpose of this thread is to post experiences, ratings, rantings and questions on any and all aspects of Bet Jamaica.

SBR rating = A+

[Mudcat]

I had some interest expressed recently about looking at Bet Jamaica. Seems like a good idea; it is a popular book.

My personal summary would be: a very safe, financially stable book - that I rarely use due to the vanilla lines.

I have had some debate on that over the years. Some people I respect insist there are soft lines to be found – on more than just a once-in-awhile-fluke basis. Why I don’t see them, I don’t know. I tend to chalk it up as insanity on the part of anyone who disagrees with me about anything.

Seriously, I haven’t used Betjam for awhile and would be interested to hear from current users how things are going.

They have dime lines on MLB sides up to –190. Otherwise full juice. Selection is better than some, smaller than others. Limits are middle-of-the-road.

They have a limited 20% cash sign-up bonus and 10% reloads. Like many books they have a whole long list of promos, from bonuses to low juice specials to refund specials to contests. You’ve really got to check the website to get all the details.

A complaint I always had was how slow they were to post lines. I’d be looking for NCAAF at 11 o’clock on Saturday morning and the first moneylines would just be dribbling out. I have heard that this has improved. Again, I would love to hear from current users how things are in this regard.

As I said from the outset, they are safe and stable. Always very good on payouts in my experience.

[tacomax]

I'm liking your comedy timing on this one, Mudcat.

[isetcap]

Another great shill job, Mudcat. You're despicable.

[rolemand]

If you already have an account w/ The Greek can you have an account w/ Bet Jamaica as well? Certainly the dime lines on Bet Jam would be better than the full juice on The Greek.

[tacomax]

If you already have an account w/ The Greek can you have an account w/ Bet Jamaica as well? .

Yes, no problem (well it wasn't for me).

[Dark Horse]

Not too sure anymore about the sportsbook of the day theme, or whatever it is now. Not after Actionbets, which I hadn't even heard of until reading the good review here, and which could be on the verge of walking away with a good chunk of my cash. This is not why I came to this forum.

Mudcat, I'm sorry to say, but in my view you're beginning to undermine the credibility of this place.

To clarify for those not in the loop. Like most, I came here in a search fo reliable bookmakers. How ironic that, after SBR gains my trust, one of its reps introduces me to one of the most unreliable books one could imagine...

Am I pissed? You better believe it.

[Ganchrow]

I have had some debate on that over the years. Some people I respect insist there are soft lines to be found – on more than just a once-in-awhile-fluke basis.

Looking at current baseball money lines for BetJamaica, 5Dimes, Cascade, Cris, Greek, and Pinnacle, I see that BetJamaica is offering (by itself) the best price on 5 lines, compared to 10 for Pinnacle, 4 for Cascade, 3 for The Greek, 1 for Cris, and 0 for 5 Dimes.

They have dime lines on MLB sides up to –190. Otherwise full juice

I've found that BetJamaica breaks very nicely. Currently, BJ is not offering any lines at worse than 2.36% hold, and is averaging a hold of 1.87% (equivalent to about a -103.9 line set). Of the lines they're currently offering at more than 10c, they have one at 15c line and a hold of 1.77% (equivalent to about a -103.7 line set) and one at 20c and a hold of 2.22% (equivalent to about a -104.6 line set).

Their $300 overnight limits aside, I think BJ's a great book for baseball money lines.

[Mudcat]

Not too sure anymore about the sportsbook of the day theme, or whatever it is now. Not after Actionbets, which I hadn't even heard of until reading the good review here, and which could be on the verge of walking away with a good chunk of my cash. This is not why I came to this forum.

Mudcat, I'm sorry to say, but in my view you're beginning to undermine the credibility of this place.

To clarify for those not in the loop. Like most, I came here in a search fo reliable bookmakers. How ironic that, after SBR gains my trust, one of its reps introduces me to one of the most unreliable books one could imagine...

Am I pissed? You better believe it.

Yeah I hear you. I feel awful about that. I'm not sure what to do other than have a more comprehensive disclaimer about how the threads are meant to be discussions not endorsements.

I think what I'm going to do is start a separate thread on this topic. I would like to hash out what people think about what has happened and how to procede.

[Dark Horse]

I'm sorry too, man.

It was a C book, which is relatively low risk. In a sense, you guys are our eyes and ears in the field, so when Actionbets got a positive rap everything seemed fine. If anything, this book would be sooner on its way to B than D.

Obviously, there was no way anyone could have foreseen this. Hey, there must be a lesson in it somewhere. I haven't figured it out yet. I want my money first, and then I think about the lesson.

I do think we should have Aden out here, keeping us up to date. He had no problem showing his face when things were fine. Where is he now?

Are things going to work out with Actionbets, Aden? Or are you guys just throwing us some bones to keep everyone quiet, while you pack your bags?

[Dark Horse]

I just talked to Actionbets Jason. My impression of these guys remains positive. If they can't be trusted I'm going to have to review my opinion of humanity.

The money is there, but has to be wired from Bolivia. And Bolivia has limits on how much money can be taken out (of the country?) within a given time span. The estimation I was given was two weeks.

From what I understand it was some sort of extreme 'inharmonious convergence'. A scam involving an employee (ongoing investigation), plus a terrible baseball season, plus the political situation in Bolivia.

I may have overreacted to the sudden drop from C- to D+.
C- was within acceptable limits (to me). D+ is dangerously close to D- and the dreaded black list.

So far for DH's investigative report. GL

[rolemand]

I have to say I never thought Mudcat was ever endorsing any of these books and for what it's worth, having watched the threads from the beginning, I thought it was quite clear the threads were meant for everyone to gain information about a book by those who had played there. No more no less. Exchange of information that would help us more than just a rating.

[homedog]

Jamaica definitely has some baseball lines that are attractive. Their timeout feature (5 minutes or less), however, is extremely annoying.

Haven't played their for foots or baskets so can't comment if they have any attractive lines. With 20 cent lines I don't expect much.

[Catsfan]

I've played at Jamaica since they opened. You will always be paid. I like the loyalty bonus program. One complaint I have is that they are always sending me emails offering a bonus then when I call up they tell me I am not eligible. THEN DON'T SEND ME THE EMAIL OFFERING ME A BONUS. Overall a very solid book foe recreational players like myself.

[pags11]

I feel the SBR A+ rating is right on here...I believe BetJam is one of the top 5 books out there on the net...

[clonecat]

For a recreational player like myself, I agree with Pags they are a top 5 book. Lines for baseball have been much better than I thought they would be and are currently my #2 book behind Pinnacle. I don't play at exchanges yet.

[BuddyBear]

It's a great book...the only thing is the late lines....CS is top notch. Every time I have spoken with them I have had a positive experience. This is one of those books I could have a million dollars in and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep. Lines are a bit vanilla for football and usually if u shop around u will most certainly find better but if you are betting bases this book is a must for your betting portfolio.

[Illusion]

It's a very solid shop, but I can not play there. I have absolutly no luck at this book.

[Lucas]

I agree. Maybee the best of "R" bookies. I never had problem with lower limit, although I often betted for max.
Only 3 notices:
I had problem to find tennis (somwhere in props..)
Weak offer of soccer
I do not know where to edit my personal info, it is probably not possible

[SBR_John]

Some really good posts by DarkHorse, Mud, Buddy, Lucas and everyone.

Dark, keep in mind that in 7 years there has never been an A-, A or A+ book fail or even come close. There has been 2 B books fail and at least a dozen that saw a high rating in the C range. A C rating is average and average is not good and certainly not excellent. You are taking risk below B+, plain and simple. B and B- is really all the risk you want to take and still sleep well at night. Average just does not cut it in the world of online bookmakers.

BetJamiaca is certainly safe and a fun book with some nice bonuses. With Spiro backing the money and Scotty 'The Man' on customer service, well, you can't go wrong with this A+ book.

[Stumpage]

John, I'm sure this has been written about before, but just out of curiosity, what are the two "B" books that tanked?

[SBR_John]

BlueMarlin which had a high of B- and BetPanAm which had a high of B+.

Another book, AcesGold, tanked before the rating guide was published. It would have been considered a B+ book by most so that would 3 B's that tanked in the past 7 years.

I would say thats about what we could expect in the future as well. The SBR ratings are much sharper because our staff has grown from 1 to 18 over that span. But still, B- and B rated books will fail once in a while just as Enron which carried an S-n-P rating of A- failed.

[pags11]

agreed to your previous post John...

[RickySteve]

So when these books failed, did anyone get their money back?

[SBR_John]

BetPanAm players had some recovery thanks to roberto. He started a business to recover funds for a 30% fee and did a good job. AcesGold made payouts at $1k max per player per week for 2 weeks before closing shop. BlueMarlin just stopped paying, tried to find a partner and then faded away.

[Mudcat]

So when these books failed, did anyone get their money back?

I got all my money from Panam with no outside help. I wasn't involved with the others.