[Guess Who]

Player 1 Art- Art is a wise guy that plays steam and has partners. He was warned twice by BoS to quit playing steam. He then tried to sneak in under the radar and played steam again.

BoS took the bonus money and all money earned from bonuses. Shrink awarded Art the bonus money and money won because BoS advertises at his site.

Not only did Art receive all his money but asked for $15k more. Art lied more than one time. He first said he didn't know that BoS and BetMill were sister books but his later posts said he did.

I have all posts to back up my statements.


Case 2 Fred- Fred accepted a 50% bonus from BoS. He then went and played the exact same game on differnt sides at two BoS books.

When you use bonus money to in house scalp you are stealing. If you want to use bonus money to scalp then use books in two different family groups.

I can't think of any book that will allow you to in house scalp with bonus money. You can scalp within the same book if you don't use the bonus. Play +115 and -112 at the same book but don't scam using the bonus money to do it.

I sure hope that I'm able to reply to the cover ups.

[Lucas]

Of course I do not know anything - just the facts here based on particular interests.
But:

Play +115 and -112 at the same book but don't scam using the bonus money to do it.

Why is beeting on weak lines stealing?

[Guess Who]

Betting weak lines is not stealing it's just smart play.

[Terris]

raiders?

[Guess Who]

Example of stealing- BoS gives you a 40% bonus. BetMill gives you a 40% bonus. Now say you play the same game but opposite sides. You are guaranteed a profit because of the huge bonus even if it's not a pure scalp.

Play team A at -110 at BoS. Now play team B in the same game at +100 at the same time. This isn't a pure scalp but by using the bonus money you make a huge profit.

You must do this at two books not in the same family. If it's done that way it's smart. If it's done in house it's stealing.

[Lucas]

If one family has -112 and +115 it is a weak line - isn´t it?
Betting is nothing else than contract. Of course the "family" has right to kick the player out, but must honour the contract ?!?

[Guess Who]

Hello Terris. Long time no see.

[Ganchrow]

When you use bonus money to in house scalp you are stealing. If you want to use bonus money to scalp then use books in two different family groups.

I can't think of any book that will allow you to in house scalp with bonus money. You can scalp within the same book if you don't use the bonus. Play +115 and -112 at the same book but don't scam using the bonus money to do it.

As a bit of an aside, I've never for the life of me understood the problem with using two books from within the same group to bonus scalp. I know if I ran a book I'd vastly prefer a player to run through a rollover using another book in my family than to use an unrelated book. Why give another book the juice? If a player is going to scalp out a bonus anyway, why not keep the juice in house? And of course, this would be especially true if the bonus carried over from related book to related book. This isn't stealing. As long as the bonus structure is itself sound, this is as good for a book as any other flavor of balanced action.

The fact that many books don't seem to realize this, and seem to actively (and irrationally) fight against is in my mind just further indication of the lack of sound risk management that is all too prevalent within the offshore industry.

[Lucas]

Example of stealing- BoS gives you a 40% bonus. BetMill gives you a 40% bonus. Now say you play the same game but opposite sides. You are guaranteed a profit because of the huge bonus even if it's not a pure scalp.

Play team A at -110 at BoS. Now play team B in the same game at +100 at the same time. This isn't a pure scalp but by using the bonus money you make a huge profit.

You must do this at two books not in the same family. If it's done that way it's smart. If it's done in house it's stealing.

Yes it produces profit of course. Just fool can play such plays. But I do not think that it is stealing - just unfortunate result of the bonus game. Offering 40% bonus sure attracts ... strange people.

[tacomax]

raiders?

Who else would sign-up (again) to SBR and shill for a set of crooks?

[tacomax]

I sure hope that I'm able to reply to the cover ups.

Looks like you'll have to register again, shill-boy.

[Doug]

Example of stealing- BoS gives you a 40% bonus. BetMill gives you a 40% bonus. Now say you play the same game but opposite sides. You are guaranteed a profit because of the huge bonus even if it's not a pure scalp.

Play team A at -110 at BoS. Now play team B in the same game at +100 at the same time. This isn't a pure scalp but by using the bonus money you make a huge profit.

You must do this at two books not in the same family. If it's done that way it's smart. If it's done in house it's stealing.

An RX'er got the reply that it's OK

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It's bad form, IMO to bet both sides with the same syndicate ( POS is a syndicate), and use the bonus, but technically legal. With many books, it's bad to even try for a middle by betting both sides with them after line movement.

Even doing it BOS against Mill you still have 11x of rollover left.

Their present policy of stealing the bonus is just not acceptable. They need to re-write their rules.

[isetcap]

When you take a position as a bonus whore, usually you're on top but occasionally you have to be the bottom. A lot of people sure are crying really loud about how atrocious it is that a book might take back it's bonus and money that was made off the bonus but I am certain there are worse situations taking place in the offshore betting universe.

I am certain that if I ran a book where I gave out nonsensical bonus amounts, then I would definitely want a whore to scalp out to a book outside of my group because then the other book has essentially taken over the bonus payment for me. If a player scalps out within my group, then the wagering requirements are gone and I have to pay out on the idiot bonus I awarded.

[Doug]

When you take a position as a bonus whore, usually you're on top but occasionally you have to be the bottom. A lot of people sure are crying really loud about how atrocious it is that a book might take back it's bonus and money that was made off the bonus but I am certain there are worse situations taking place in the offshore betting universe.

I am certain that if I ran a book where I gave out nonsensical bonus amounts, then I would definitely want a whore to scalp out to a book outside of my group because then the other book has essentially taken over the bonus payment for me. If a player scalps out within my group, then the wagering requirements are gone and I have to pay out on the idiot bonus I awarded.

How is the wagering requirement gone ? POS against Mill, whichever side wins you'd still have plenty of rollover left.

The way to do it is one POS syndicate book vs. Mansion, lose the POS side, and reload. That's what I think Artie was doing.

[Mudcat]

When you see the lack of activity on Raiders' own forum - plus of course the banner situation there (2 for BOS and 1 for Millenium out of 10 total) - the desperation becomes understandable.

[tacomax]

My site has more traffic but 300 less posters than SBR but thanks for the concern Mudcat. My site actually has 100 more posters if you exclude my SBR ghosts.

Another hour, another raiders sign-up.

If your site is doing so well then how do you find the time to keep on re-registering here to shill for whichever scam book you're pumping?

[SBR_John]

Mods, feel free to delete schill posts or move them to the promotions folder.

[Mudcat]

The weird thing is, I feel sure Raiders believes what he's saying about activity on his forum. This is Thursday and he's still got threads on the front page where the most recent post is last Saturday but I don't doubt, in his head, the place is flowing like a waterfall.

I might think about going over there to stir things up but it's just so unimportant.

[tacomax]

The weird thing is, I feel sure Raiders believes what he's saying about activity on his forum.

I'm equally sure that Jeffrey Dahmer believes that he was pushing the boundries of cooking as well.

[Mudcat]

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[LVHerbie]

Was the 72001 in raiders old screenname his zip code? Meaning he's from Adona, Arkansas... Probably goes a long ways to explaining why he has so much time on his hands...