[Ice House]

i think he will win

[tblues2005]

It will be hard for him to win the nomination because some of the things he wants to do his party doesn't agree with.

[Dutch]

The Republicans won't give him the nomintation. Period.

[Doug]

I agree, he won't get the nod, I might actually register to vote if he did.

[Bill Dozer]

Non-big gov candidates have a chance when the internet exceeds the influence of traditional media IMO. A lot of our parents are starting to use the internet heavily vs 4 years ago. The less of the old timer repubs watching Fox News the sooner he has a chance. If not this year, I think one of his sons will run in 2016 and replay his message.

I wish serious minded citizens would awaken to his call. Sure he can be elected, but he needs help. If those voters that keep repeating "he can't win," would all vote for Paul; he's in like Flynn.

Poor, dumb, young people [okay, the real dumb ones] listen to too much political garbage and believe it! That is a major issure for an underdog like Paul!
Wake up! You do not have to be obligated to vote for one Party's candidate. In reality, that is pure stupidity.

Anyone who votes a straight ticket, is practically mindless.

QUESTION ...Why is Ron Paul the only man to state unequivocally, "get all our troops home asap?"

There are other folks like Gary Johnson but Ron Paul has gotten traction because he talks and predicts the financial issues in congress.

so when obummer started did he have a chance?

a very very junior senator with zero credibility

its all about the press and who they embrace

Right. He set up Ron pretty good showing that smooth talking politicians with no record don't do what they say. Who knows, maybe he'll make some noise this year.

[Ian]

Non-big gov candidates have a chance when the internet exceeds the influence of traditional media IMO. A lot of our parents are starting to use the internet heavily vs 4 years ago. The less of the old timer repubs watching Fox News the sooner he has a chance. If not this year, I think one of his sons will run in 2016 and replay his message.



There are other folks like Gary Johnson but Ron Paul has gotten traction because he talks and predicts the financial issues in congress.



Right. He set up Ron pretty good showing that smooth talking politicians with no record don't do what they say. Who knows, maybe he'll make some noise this year.

The above post is an example of why I think libertarianism is more of a religion than a political philosophy. Many libertarians operate under the premise that once people are exposed to their point of view they will be converted. However, it's a safe bet that increased internet use or increased promotion of the libertarian cause will not lead to large scale popularity because the principles libertarians take on faith (government regulation doesn't work, budgets should always be balanced, etc.) are often either wildly unpopular and/or disprovable.

In the US "big government" programs like social security and federal student loans have enormous popularity that will not be changed by people clicking on a Rand Paul website. There is too much public goodwill for these programs, and most learned people would argue rightly so.

Libertarian zealotry about laissez faire economics (which is largely unpopular) will not undo the situations in which laissez faire economics leads to disastrous results. For example, in markets that contain finite resources, libertarian policies virtually guarantee the destruction of that market because it only takes one participant acting in his or her own best interest to deplete the resource. This has been proven in game theory studies that produce repeatable results, and it compliments real world observation and data. People who aren't libertarians won't be convinced that these economic facts are false. People who are libertarians will keep on preaching the cause in spite of them.

[zam77]

The scene with Ron Paul in Bruno is great.

"That guy's queerer than the blazes. He took his clothes off. Let's get goin'. He's queer, he's crazy, he put a hit on me and took his clothes off."

[jarvol]

Then non-Libertarian principles America has lived by for the past century sure have worked out well....

[Bill Dozer]

The above post is an example of why I think libertarianism is more of a religion than a political philosophy. Many libertarians operate under the premise that once people are exposed to their point of view they will be converted. However, it's a safe bet that increased internet use or increased promotion of the libertarian cause will not lead to large scale popularity because the principles libertarians take on faith (government regulation doesn't work, budgets should always be balanced, etc.) are often either wildly unpopular and/or disprovable.

In the US "big government" programs like social security and federal student loans have enormous popularity that will not be changed by people clicking on a Rand Paul website. There is too much public goodwill for these programs, and most learned people would argue rightly so.

Labels and the party system are part of the problem. It's like a political version of Survivor. I'll form an alliance and join your group or their group and vote for your bill if you scratch my back. Libertarians don't have media and business interests telling people what to think. Their way doesn't pay pharma or the oil companies through w/ dollars.

IMO, it's the opposite. When Fox news stops scaring our grandparents into thinking we need to invade oil countries and we need their nuts photographed at the airport to stay safe they can be free thinkers. More about taking the blinders off than switching views.

[ABEHONEST]

I have been a huge supporter of FOXNEWS for ten years. However, when Bill O now states at the end of his show, "I'm looking out for you," I'm starting to lose respect for him and his show. Never could stand, over the top, Beck and Hannity, so Bill and Greta were the two I had full confidence in.

Well that's now changed with Bill. His complete and thorough dismissing of Ron Paul has shown his mind to be unchangeably, arrogant and condescending, in the field of politics. He is a powerful force on cable and news.
Too bad he cannot like live up to his so-called "fair and balanced" reputation.

[Inkwell77]

If you have been a HUGE SUPPORTER of any type of propaganda media you probably are doing it wrong....

[AribaAriba]

he never changed his stand on monetary policy, Ron PAUL is for the PEOPLE!

[LVHerbie]

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."

[Ice House]

herbie spread the word we need Ron Paul in office .... He will right the ship

[Ice House]

Whites, blacks , Muslims, hispanics, asians will all like Ron paul

[LVHerbie]

herbie spread the word we need Ron Paul in office .... He will right the ship

Reread my posts in this thread... While I like Ron Paul (and similar minded people) voting (and the election process in general) is a waste of time and money if you are outside the chosen mainstream... Planting flowers on the side of the highway is more likely to bring about real change then supporting Ron Paul...

[Ice House]

i'm getting a t-shirt and and bumper sticker.... maybe people will open their eyes and vote for Ron Paul.

I don't know why that Rick Perry character is in the lead so far. I guess b/c he is from texas but he is too conservative...

[Snatch]

Abehonest ^^ right on! It's sad that someone with such good ideas is dismissed, because he's willing to consider anything other than the party's main point of view.

[Dutch]

Abehonest ^^ right on! It's sad that someone with such good ideas is dismissed, because he's willing to consider anything other than the party's main point of view.

The Republicans have become the party of the far right. The ideas of small gov. and low taxes aren't enough anymore, you have to pander to the Christian coalition type of voter.

I'm not saying the left is better. I'm saying you have to be out there campaning with "gay marriage is wrong and abortion is bad" sound bites.

Add in the "Real Americans" and "Pass the ammunition" type of voters and who has time to get people to listen to "monetary policy" ideas.

Ron Paul is not a "I'd like to have a beer with him" type of fellow. That hurts him more than any of his ideas.

[ABEHONEST]

The Republicans have become the party of the far right. The ideas of small gov. and low taxes aren't enough anymore, you have to pander to the Christian coalition type of voter. I'm not saying the left is better. I'm saying you have to be out there campaning with "gay marriage is wrong and abortion is bad" sound bites. Add in the "Real Americans" and "Pass the ammunition" type of voters and who has time to get people to listen to "monetary policy" ideas. Ron Paul is not a "I'd like to have a beer with him" type of fellow. That hurts him more than any of his ideas.

I don't like having sit-down beers with phonies either. Neither does Ron Paul, so he's an underdog in society. Hey, I'm in the same club and I happen to love it! I do lose a lot of ass-kisser votes by being that way, though. Their loss!

[Bill Dozer]

Crazy Ronnie making some noise this week in the online media.

[ABEHONEST]

Crazy Ronnie making some noise this week in the online media.

You mean Crazy like a Fox?

[Bill Dozer]

Big day tomorrow with the debate. He made a rare offensive today slamming Perry in this ad. For the first time the network is gonna put him in the main event fight as the dog. He'll be asked about Fema too in the middle of a bunch of natural disasters.

[ABEHONEST]

fuk R.P.

Since you're advertized as being a kid, you don't have to worry about it.

[AribaAriba]

Ron Paul Fever is spreading FOLKS!70k voted and paul won 50% of the vote.

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/9088

[AribaAriba]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...reagan-library

vote now for Liberty!

[JohnGalt2341]

[ABEHONEST]

HOT DAMN!
I believe my horse is closing in on the rail!
Step up to the window and cash your winning tickets!

[ABEHONEST]

In all seriousness, the two "bought" candidates were out polled by SBR'S hero in those debates!
The logic I believe I see in this, is, that John Q. Public is finally waking up and listening to the brilliance of Ron Paul.

Men, the tide could be turning here?

[AribaAriba]

interesting to see the odds on Ron Paul to win the nomination moved from +2400 to +1000 since i've tracked it hmmmm we're gaining grounds boys http://www.bet365.com/home/FlashGen4/WebConsoleApp.asp?