[jjgold]

I do not think so but only reason I bring it up is because the Euro books put such high juice on everything and these guys bet it anway.

Why??

Play with places like Pinnacle Mr. Euros and stop getting riped off.

[tacomax]

Come on, jjgold. You're falling behind the industry here.

Pinnacle's odds on the only English Premiership game tonight equates to a 107% book. Checking at Betfair, it's a 103% book after taking into account of the commissions.

Betfair have consistently the best prices on each outcome of just about every soccer game out there compared any bookies - even Pinnacle. They might be beaten on the odd price but that's the exception rather than the rule.

Even for US sports. If you ignore the exchanges, then you're verging on the square.

[LGBoots]

UK Books mostly have crap odds on sports (Not including Betfair)

A lot of UK books at the weekend had Chelsea at 1.16 (& I bet a lot of squares took these odds )

1.30 was freely available at Betfair.

Lots of UK Punters don't care or understand the importance of 'Getting on' at the right price.

[raiders72001]

Lots of UK Punters don't care or understand the importance of 'Getting on' at the right price.

Great point which is the heart of the topic. Are European punters square?

[magnavox]

Lots of UK Punters don't care or understand the importance of 'Getting on' at the right price.

That sums it up perfectly. While lurking in on those euro forums too often I see some anlysis etc, but the line is almost never in question. They talk about the teams, their recent form, injured players and this looks like the only criteria they take into consideration for a bet to make... or not.

[raiders72001]

Another question, you mention that the European punters on the forums are square. Is this a reflection of all European bettors? In the US the forum gamblers are much better than the non-forum gamblers.

[raiders72001]

Do the odds in European books reflect this betting pattern? I can't play in books from the UK so I've never checked the odds.

[jjgold]

betfair is not a sports book taxy
Its an exchange

Big difference but I did not realize they are very competive with Pinncale soccer numbers

[raiders72001]

But is soccer really a sport? I see guys flopping as soon as they get touched and then you see the ref put up a yellow card. I think it's bad the way they treat QB's in the NFL but these soccer guys should put on skirts.

[LGBoots]

Don't know if they still do it but William Hills used to list the top 10 most popular bets being taken at their site.

Almost all of them were in the odds line 1.10 - 1.20.

Uk Punters for some reason see this as 'buying money' the fact they can 'buy' the same money at far better odds elsewhere seems to escape them

How often do you see a UK bookie offering a re-load bonus?
Hardly ever & this is because most Punters in the UK put up with crap odds

US Punters seem to demand more of their books hence the better odds & bonuses.

[magnavox]

Come on, jjgold. You're falling behind the industry here.

Pinnacle's odds on the only English Premiership game tonight equates to a 107% book. Checking at Betfair, it's a 103% book after taking into account of the commissions.

Betfair have consistently the best prices on each outcome of just about every soccer game out there compared any bookies - even Pinnacle. They might be beaten on the odd price but that's the exception rather than the rule.

Even for US sports. If you ignore the exchanges, then you're verging on the square.

Pinnacle doesn't really care about three-way odds. Look at their AH lines instead, where they offer 4 cent spreads! Betfair can't beat that for sure with their commission structure. Same for US sports; not only odds are not filled up to the full, you have to deduct the commission as well from the prices offered0. This is not competetive, period.

[raiders72001]

I've also heard that the customer service is rotten in Europe. Dozer would no better but I hear the could care less about complaints and answer emails slowly.

[jjgold]

Soccer by far is the most bet sport in the world

[tacomax]

Pinnacle doesn't really care about three-way odds. Look at their AH lines instead, where they offer 4 cent spreads! Betfair can't beat that for sure with their commission structure. Same for US sports; not only odds are not filled up to the full, you have to deduct the commission as well from the prices offered0. This is not competetive, period.

Yes, agree on the AH but I'd bet that the vast majority of wagers are on the 1x2 lines in soccer. The Betfair commission is only 1% on the AH lines I think.

That's the crap thing - Betfair can get away with 5% commission on regular soccer lines because they know they can get away with it. Even at 5% their lines are way better than the UK books.

They recently introduced baseball betting with a commission of 1% - there's no way they could get away with 5% on lines which can be competitively got from any number of offshore books.

[tacomax]

But is soccer really a sport? I see guys flopping as soon as they get touched and then you see the ref put up a yellow card. I think it's bad the way they treat QB's in the NFL but these soccer guys should put on skirts.

Lay off the crack, mate - soccer's World Cup is largest single sporting event in the world in terms of global audience. I think that constitutes it as a sport.

The rubgy World Cup is the second largest single sporting event in the world. Don't know if you know about rugby - it's a bit like american football but a game in which the guys are tough enough to play the game without wearing the body armour.

[raiders72001]

I'll admit that the World Cup is very exciting but you'll have to admit that the players do take a lot of flops and you'll never see that in American sports.

As far as rugby goes some guys may like getting in the middle of the scrums with the guys but that's way too much male bonding for my taste. Not that there's anything wrong if you like that stuff but it's not for me.

[natrass]

Too much ...

[Sean]

I'll admit that the World Cup is very exciting but you'll have to admit that the players do take a lot of flops and you'll never see that in American sports.

With the exception of Karl Malone

[jjgold]

Brickyard in the UK there are way more books with high juice compared to American type offshore books

[rara51]

jjMold,

Well no shit. But their odds on cricket and racing are better and if you want to bet on Kung fu the juice will be lower in Asia. If you want to bet on how long Martha Stewart living will be on the air or the PGA Senior tour the odds will be better in Palm Springs Fla.

guys just wondering i know that bill rates tons of books on sbr but as far as the euro books are concerned can anyone tell me where to look to find out if they are trust worthy and reliable?

[raiders72001]

With the exception of Karl Malone

Vlade Divac set the world record for flops in basketball. It's no surprise that he's from Europe.

[jjgold]

Euro players I still believe will bet higher juice vs the American Player

[Gambler7]

jj, what the **** are you doing?
its 4am

[noyb]

i'm a euro-player and agree with an earlier post of magnavox about the euro-forums. Important to notice though, juice might be higher at eurobooks, a big advantage is even the smaller ones typically offer way more sports and bettingtypes than the typical us-book.
Take only soccer: dozens of different countries with their own leagues, often also 2nd divisions, regional 3rd divisions (amateur-matches) are covered. You also have a lot of other sports, for example a lot of european hockey-leagues now just starting, but you can really bet on anything from handball to floorball.

To sum it all up, you might on average have more juice at euro-books, but because of the bigger offering (and a lot of bookmakers putting up odds of sports and leagues they really don't know anything about), value-betting is way easier than with the us-books, who, in my experience, all offer the same little amount of bets on the same small amount of leagues.

[jjgold]

Good Post Noy

[Illusion]

Vlade Divac set the world record for flops in basketball. It's no surprise that he's from Europe.

Watching him play is almost comical.