[Lucas]

Is it possible to cancel live bets due line error? I am talking about A bookies only. I have never heard about it and I see many too good valuebets.

[bigboydan]

thats a good question lucas. unfortunately i don't know the answer off hand.

my first thoughts would be yes though. although, i will have to look into this matter a little deeper in order to get you the right answer.

[pjesnik24]

happened to me with pointbet but they had a wrong result ;-)

[Lucas]

Thanks for replies. Because of course I do not want to harm bookies and I never bet bad line. But who can say what is the right line when we can see line movement from -125 to 120 in a second wihout obvious reason (probably just money flow).
Today I saw 3 errors at WC at the most reliable bookies incl Pinny:
pk and -0.5 in spite of -0.5 and -1
1/2 in spite of pk (more than 10 mins!!)
probably mismatched odds -125 and 100

[rolemand]

Late in the 4th set of the Federer vs Nadal match. Pinnacle had
Federer +700
Nadal +900

they pulled it quickly but I'm sure that Nadal would've been voided.

[natrass]

I think a GROSS bad line like rolemand posted it would be reasonable to 'generously' correct it.

However, if they give themselves bad value then surely they have to live with it.

Firstly, because the time pressure leads to both players and the bookie having to take the risks of quick decisions.

Secondly, it will inevitably have the problem of the bookie wanting to after-event.

If any bookie does this then they sdhould be named and shamed.

[Lucas]

I think a GROSS bad line like rolemand posted it would be reasonable to 'generously' correct it.

However, if they give themselves bad value then surely they have to live with it.

Firstly, because the time pressure leads to both players and the bookie having to take the risks of quick decisions.

Secondly, it will inevitably have the problem of the bookie wanting to after-event.

If any bookie does this then they sdhould be named and shamed.

Agree. But what is GROSS. The rolemands case of course, my first two cases probably too (half point in soccer has huge value).

Mismatched -125 and 100?? For standard pre-game bet it is voidable error but in game? Can be bookie angry if I throw there 1 or 5 dollars to see what happens?

[natrass]

-125 and 100? No, the bets should stand. the bookie should forget about any vig if the make a mistake. If they let the player go back and change his bets then maybe but, as they wont, they cannot have live betting and the right to then review their prices when people have risked their money.

In my opinion anyway.

[Lucas]

Thanks. It is sure I will test it at this WC.

[natrass]

Ah, Lucas, thats just my opinion. I doubt that will carry much weight with the likes of gamebookers or globet!!

[Lucas]

No I am betting live at A´s only! I thought the same as you, so now I am decided to try them deeper

[natrass]

Hmmm ... I dont do livebetting (only betfair) so I have no idea how they deal with this. maybe someone else knows better.

GL anyway.

[Tchocky]

Late in the 4th set of the Federer vs Nadal match. Pinnacle had
Federer +700
Nadal +900

they pulled it quickly but I'm sure that Nadal would've been voided.

This was the 1st tennis match where I've seen live betting offered. I'm still not comfortable with live betting to actually try it.

[Lucas]

This was the 1st tennis match where I've seen live betting offered. I'm still not comfortable with live betting to actually try it.

I am focusing on it right now and it is really very funny adrenaline sport. I can recommend it to everyone. Nice limits in 4fig sums on WC!

[natrass]

Cant you just use betfair?

[Lucas]

I do not know it. Sometimes I look there but I think it sucks with Firefox. Also I do not see value there (it is too sharp) and I do not see liquidity there. But maybe I am wrong. Tell me more about it.

[Lucas]

...and of course I do not like commisions. I like to see straight the value not count every odd times 0.96 or so. But I like just watch to betfair and look at the tracks of odds - what is going up and down. I think it is much more profitable to bet on bookie with full juice, but with bonus and at weak line.

[acw]

Also I do not see value there (it is too sharp) and I do not see liquidity there.

Often I find value on BetFair, but then there is no liquidity. Not so surprising.

[natrass]

Often I find value on BetFair, but then there is no liquidity. Not so surprising.

No liquidity on betfair??? E.g World Cup ... Outright winners ... still a month away until its decided ... liquidity = TWENTY ONE MILLION POUNDS traded already ... and nearly another million waiting for trades. Props per match number around 30 ... totallly bouyant. How much ******* liquidity do you want?

Jeez ... first we have SicklySteve and Slosh getting erections over mansions odds and now (apparently) betfair doesnt have enough liquidity.

What ... are you betting MLB or something?? Of course US sports have no liquidity ... because no US players are allowed.

If not, you are freakin' mad.

Betfair has no liquidity and mansion is 'da bomb' ... whats next?? Iraq is a tourist mecca?

Sorry, acw, its not meant at you all this ... just ShittySteve and Slish, etc ... theyll be masturbating over your post now.

[natrass]

Hey, look over 1200 posts ... do I get a shirt?

[acw]

natrass,

Whenever I find huge value on BetFair, then it turns out that I cannot get enough on, as the liquidity on that bet turns out to be low.

Yes, there is plenty liquidity on BetFair, but what good is it to bet 30,000 Pounds on something being offered at 1.98 while elsewhere one can bet it at 2.05?

[noyb]

acw, i think you have been looking at the wrong markets in small obscure sports or you have been looking at markets days before kickoff, else your statement really doesn't hold up.

in for example 1x2 on soccer, 95% of the times betfair cannot be beat by anybody, both on odds and on liquidity (and definitely not by mansion), perhaps maybe on one side by bookmakers who charge full juice but forget to adjust their price and will cut your limits ater your first bet which were a couple of hundred anyway.

i give you an example.. this afternoons wc-match spain vs ukraine. i don't know what kind of high rollers you all are but the 100K available at 1.91 should do it for you. ofcourse you should deduct commission, but pinnacle is at 1.86, and mansion at 1.885 with a poor usd 4663 available.

it's just an example ofcourse, but i'll bet you betfair will almost always come on top in this kind of comparisons.

[natrass]

Thanks noyb ... i was beginning to think I was seeing prices noone else was.

acw .. you of course correct in that great prices mean nothing without liquidity ... I learnt very early on not to be shy to make offers. Sometimes I have put up a 'cheeky' offer and will never understand how people will take it ..

[Lucas]

Ok, I am persuaded. I will look more at Betfair, but I am afraid after the WC, now I have no NRG to learn something new.
I hope I will no more see only your 'cheeky' offers, Natrass

[Lucas]

Update:
today happened this (http://sazkar.net/viewtopic.php?t=73):
bettor placed live bet at mismatched odds:
Germany Live - spread +1 (+125) - instead of -140 or so @ greek.
Bet was not cancelled!

[custer]

Pinny will and has cancelled Live wagers due to gross linemaker error.

[rolemand]

Update:
today happened this (http://sazkar.net/viewtopic.php?t=73):
bettor placed live bet at mismatched odds:
Germany Live - spread +1 (+125) - instead of -140 or so @ greek.
Bet was not cancelled!

Good thing you put that link in there or I would've really been lost

[Lucas]

Good thing you put that link in there or I would've really been lost

I did it 4 your good. English is dead language!

[Lucas]

Pinny will and has cancelled Live wagers due to gross linemaker error.

Yes: it seems that Pinny is not as crazy as Greek or Cascade.
http://forum.sportsbookreview.com/sh...t=cascade+void (this link is Enghlish )