[Fishhead]

Craps can be beaten by professional dice controllers, in case you guys didn't know.

Anyone here consider themselves world class in this area?

Have a friend who is probably considered one of the top ten in the world at this........he can control the dice in such a way to make it NOT come up "7" below the norm, which equates to gaining a small edge on the game.

Tables with little bounce are of the essence.

Personally, I can achieve breakeven status with the dice, which isn't bad if I get comped well.

[bigboydan]

Pico is trying to perfect the art of dice throwing, Fish.

[Fishhead]

Kewl

I haven't spent that much time with practice....but feel I'm good enough to breakeven longterm.

Not sure if I can improve anymore though.........to old.

[SlickFazzer]

I've read some on the topic. Don't have the time to practice.

[RogueJuror]

we don't do vegas, we moved on


gl fishy

[Justin7]

Fish,

How long did you practice to get that good?

[Fishhead]

Stanford Wong has taught me some good techniques..........he now considers himself capable of beating the game over the longhaul.

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Fish,

How long did you practice to get that good?

About 10,ooo throws..........but not sure if that is a big enough sample.

Probably isn't..........I dont plan on making much money playing craps, not with so many good video poker and slot machines available across the country.

[big joe 1212]

I smell BULLSHiT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pavyracer]

Fishhead is good in throwing double fives in dice. 55-0 that is.

[SlickFazzer]

Fishhead has been beating many types of casino games for many years.

[bigboydan]

We need the coach to make a video on this so he can teach us the art of dice throwing.

[ertl09]

watch a documentary on tv about this, this guy was the best in the world at it, started getting banned at some casinos. I don't remember how many throws but it was in the 60's or 70's before he threw a 7.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by SlickFazzer

Fishhead has been beating many types of casino games for many years.

I've heard he has made $800,000 on slots.

[Iwinyourmoney]

I've heard he mad made over $1mill on slots and video poker. FH is that true?

[bigboydan]

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[SlickFazzer]

The number is $500,000 playing slots guys.

[mmike032]

Originally Posted by bigboydan

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too bad I only speak english or that might have been an interesting video

[Patrick McIrish]

One thing about Fisher is he'll tell you what he can beat and what he can not beat. Unlike some in forumworld who tend to exaggerate he tells it like it is, no matter how it might sound to others it's true if he says it is. If he claims he can control the dice I wouldn't bet against him. Sharp dude.

[ertl09]

Originally Posted by mmike032

too bad I only speak english or that might have been an interesting video

this was the guy i was talking about, if you can find the whole video I thought it was interesting. It doesn't teach you about how to control the dice

[RogueJuror]

is that fish head's friend Danny?

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

About 10,ooo throws..........but not sure if that is a big enough sample.

What's your approximate 7-hit rate been over 10,000 throws?

[Patrick McIrish]

BTW wasn't it Fezzik that said he could control the dice? I don't recall the details but he met up with someone in Vegas and put upwards of 10k (maybe 50k) on a dice bet once before. They found a casino that would let them do it and got down to business. Wasn't Wong involved in this as well? My memory is all but gone these days so I'm not sure on the details, any or all of this could be wrong but I know he was involved in a bet like this at one time or another. If anyone can remember please post the details, I know the story was on these forums at one point if anybody has the links.


Ganch - I don't play dice but would guess FH throws a 7 less than once every 6 rolls.

[big joe 1212]

This documentary was on the discovery channel not too long ago. He is the only person that I have heard that could really do it. He didnt make much money over the long haul though. They bet little amounts because they didnt want to get caught!

If FH is so good at beating casinos, why does he waste his time giving us shItttty picks!

Anyone who admits they beat casinos is full of it! Because if they were, they would not tell ANYONE!!! If they had a brain! Mostly people who say they do just had a good lucky streak, thats all.

[pico]

dice control doesn't work. practiced at home and it worked out, but didn't work out in the real casino.

i love throwing dice until i lose all my money.

for some reason, i find bacarat more interesting. it seems that you can have a feel for the shoe. i have not done much research into this but it seems that when i think this shoe has more player win chances, i can ride the trend and win more than i lose. i think the key is never bet the banker and pick when you want to be the player. sort of like MLB where you always bet the slight underdog at even money. i don't play every hand...actually i play about once every 5-6 deals. doubled my money on the first try and then lost it on craps. didn't have more money to **** around so i didn't stick around to play more bacarat.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish

Ganch - I don't play dice but would guess FH throws a 7 less than once every 6 rolls.

Well that's certainly the implication he's made regarding his last 10K rolls. I have no reason to doubt his word.

The issue for me, however, is the degree to which this is true to a statistically significant extent.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by pico

for some reason, i find bacarat more interesting. it seems that you can have a feel for the shoe. i have not done much research into this but it seems that when i think this shoe has more player win chances, i can ride the trend and win more than i lose.

That has been proven as a long term winning system. The problem is that the casino will then bring out the cooler and your winning % drops to zero.

[Patrick McIrish]

Originally Posted by tacomax

That has been proven as a long term winning system. The problem is that the casino will then bring out the cooler and your winning % drops to zero.

Dice control is for losers, all you need to beat the casino is a little luck on your side.


Sincerely,

Cloak & Dagger

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by big joe 1212

Anyone who admits they beat casinos is full of it! Because if they were, they would not tell ANYONE!!! If they had a brain! Mostly people who say they do just had a good lucky streak, thats all.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Video poker and certain slots are highly beatable(never said I could beat craps), as well as blackjack.

Recently there was a video poker play at the Venetian that was worth $300 an hour(they offered triple points on their slot card and they have triple play Jacks or Better in $5 denominations)........Jacks or Better with perfect strategy yields the player a 99.55% return and with the slot card cash back and comps puts it well over 100% on triple points days............the wiseguys hammered this play.

This is just one example of the many plays the professional slot, video poker, or blackjack player can do to get the edge on the casino and make a profit longterm............something I personally did for many years in Vegas and still do on a semi-retired status around the country.

It is common knowledge to most that blackjack and video poker are highly beatable.............as far as slots, only a select few know how to go about that venture to profit.

[Boner_18]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

You couldn't be more wrong.

Video poker and certain slots are highly beatable(never said I could beat craps), as well as blackjack.

Recently there was a video poker play at the Venetian that was worth $300 an hour(they offered triple points on their slot card and they have triple play Jacks or Better in $5 denominations)........Jacks or Better with perfect strategy yields the player a 99.55% return and with the slot card cash back and comps puts it well over 100% on triple points days............the wiseguys hammered this play.

This is just one example of the many plays the professional slot, video poker, or blackjack player can do to get the edge on the casino and make a profit longterm............something I personally did for many years in Vegas and still do on a semi-retired status around the country.

It is common knowledge to most that blackjack and video poker are highly beatable.............as far as slots, only a select few know how to go about that venture to profit.

At least about the video poker FH is right. Certain themes and payout combos are slightly +EV making them "grindable" for a profit. Grinding a +EV video poker bank is not for the feint of heart, it sucks.

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by Boner_18

At least about the video poker FH is right. Certain themes and payout combos are slightly +EV making them "grindable" for a profit. Grinding a +EV video poker bank is not for the feint of heart, it sucks.

Video poker has tremendous swings.........because so much of the return is based on hitting the elusive royal flushes(which occur about once every 45,000 hand and account 3-5% of the total return, meaning if your playing a 100% machine and hit no royals, you are playing at a 95-97% return). It is definetly a grind...........and believe me, Ive been in the video poker trenches as much as anyone in the country.

Blackjack will also have swings, as most here who have played the game know.

Beatable slots offers the least swings of these three mentioned, as the high majority times you find a beatable machine, you will come away a winner. However, the drawback now is that these machines are drying up faster than a rattlesnakes skin in the desert.

[jjgold]

It all depends ok how you hold the dice in your hand
It is possible and takes lots of practice
It gives you about a 10% edge over the regular shooter if your good

[pat venditto]

lol jj you don't know shit about mathematical edge. 10% edge in an unbeatable game you know alot you wise ass cockboy.

[Mudcat]

I cannot control the dice at craps however I can control the wheel in roulette through wind currents created by intense fluttering of my eyelashes.

[yahoonino]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I cannot control the dice at craps however I can control the wheel in roulette through wind currents created by intense fluttering of my eyelashes.