[SBR_John]

If anyone is thinking about shooting at the new BetOnSports raised limits, think again.

We are seeing complaints where big players make a couple of bets for the max and then find their bonus confiscated and what BoS figures the player won from the bonus ALSO confiscated.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

If anyone is thinking about shooting at the new BetOnSports raised limits, think again.

We are seeing complaints where big players make a couple of bets for the max and then find their bonus confiscated and what BoS figures the player won from the bonus ALSO confiscated.

Has BoS provided any rationale for having done this?

[SBR_John]

Only that they reserve the right to who plays there. As far as confiscating goes that seems to be a policy on the fly. I haven't read their TOS so I could be wrong. Maybe they say right there that they can jack you but I doubt it.

[Terris]

deposit less than $500, and play the silly underdog lines there in small amounts - but never place big bets with that shit book, its asking for trouble. If you keep it small its a goldmine thou, until they put you on the "sharp" lines.

[Mudcat]

If a book wants to boot me, I will just bow out with a handshake.

But confiscating bonuses AND a portion of winnings is scuzzy in the extreme.

[Chuck Sims]

I was warned years ago by Vegas sharps to stay away from BetOnSports. They are crooks. Stiffing bettors, stealing back bonuses, and cancelling winning wagers is what they are infamous for.

Betting small won't shield you either from their theivery. A poster named "craig" at The RX was robbed of nearly $16,000 from BetOnSports after he hit a $100 parlay.

Since then BOS has resorted to payoffs to keep the watchdog sites from exposing them any furthur.

[jason]

Confiscating winnings from a wager? That is as bad as it gets.

Let me see if I get this straight: Did BetonSports offer a bonus and then this player won a big bet, so instead of paying him on his full wager, they decide to pay only a portion of the winnings by limiting him and preventing a rollover?

Words of advice to the player: Contact Bill - this won't stand.

[Lucas]

How can they have "C+"?

[Halifax]

Yeah, I know a couple of guys that this has happened to within the last couple of weeks ... deposit ... bet a couple of good lines ... account locked ... booted.

They had a pretty good reputation, all things considered, for a couple of years now ... up until about 6 weeks ago ... that was when they decided to start having common lines for BOS, Jag, MVPBets, etc. ... before that, BOS and the sister books like Jag, MVPBets, Rock Island, BettorsTrust all used to have similar lines, but often some lines were different from book to book ... that all changed about 6 weeks ago, and now those books all have common lines.

The sharp rise in the locking of accounts, the restricting of accounts to "phone-only", and the outright booting of players for betting good lines seemed to follow shortly after that change was made.

[Chuck Sims]

Keep in mind most bettors that know about these forums stay clear of BetOnSports. Therefore, you are not going to hear many reports of posters getting robbed. I assure you the stiffing, robbing, and lying from these scumbags has never stopped.

BetOnSports aka S-H-I-T book should not have a rating of C+.

[Terris]

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

Betting small won't shield you either from their theivery. A poster named "craig" at The RX was robbed of nearly $16,000 from BetOnSports after he hit a $100 parlay.

Well i ment play small *straight* bets
Playing exotic wagers is always a risk at those shit books

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

I was warned years ago by Vegas sharps to stay away from BetOnSports. They are crooks. Stiffing bettors, stealing back bonuses, and cancelling winning wagers is what they are infamous for.

Betting small won't shield you either from their theivery. A poster named "craig" at The RX was robbed of nearly $16,000 from BetOnSports after he hit a $100 parlay.

Since then BOS has resorted to payoffs to keep the watchdog sites from exposing them any furthur.

Guess thats why I had $20,000+ there as recently as June 1st...........again, get off the shitter.


SNORE SNORE SNORE


That was the case "YEARS AGO", as you stated.

[SBR_John]

Well OK, I'll amend the warning: If you don't work at a forum, like Fish, where BetOnSports pays $100,000+ a year to advertise then be careful.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Well OK, I'll amend the warning: If you don't work at a forum, like Fish, where BetOnSports pays $100,000+ a year to advertise then be careful.

Think you hit the nail on the head there, John.

[Terris]

ahahaha....yeah thats right John.
Im sure Fish also makes 10k wagers at nine.com on soft lines

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Well OK, I'll amend the warning: If you don't work at a forum, like Fish, where BetOnSports pays $100,000+ a year to advertise then be careful.

Two points

1. As to my knowledge, BOS has no idea that yours trully works at ANY forum based on my account information.

2. Have two other friends that have much MORE than $20,000 at various times with BOS on a routine basis and they have never encountered a serious problem/issue with them...........friends that are true professional gamblers in every sense of the word and have no affiliation with ANY website.

-FISHHEAD-

[gotsteam]

The ratings in Sportsbook review are interesting to say the least.

Books which are D's and C's yet should be C's or better, along with Books with poor service, 2 week and more slow pays ( see hollywood ) being C's and of course this one BetOnSports rated a c+ when they should be a D- at best

D- to D+ Poor, some risk to players funds. Poor customer service, etc

Makes one wonder how ratings are really bought (sp) Earned.

see: Originally Posted by SBR_John
Well OK, I'll amend the warning: If you don't work at a forum, like Fish, where BetOnSports pays $100,000+ a year to advertise then be careful.


hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)

n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies

The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

An act or instance of such falseness.

[SBR_John]

The ratings are complex. With BOS for example if you are gonna wager the max on their stated new limits of $10,000 a game then their rating should really be F. But if you are an average player you may only notice spotty CS and you may give them a B. We are working with them now to resolve a couple of confiscation cases so I really dont want to say anything that could cost a player. But as to their rating and all the ratings, we do our best to be fair.

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

But as to their rating and all the ratings, we do our best to be fair.

I think any unbiased observer can see your ratings are anything but fair.

from my limited time on this forum and others I have seen here on this forum:

-New books allowed to troll for customers on the boards ( BetOnStars )

-Books with 2 week and older slow pays given ratings of C+ ( Hollywood )

-Books who delay payouts by implementing policies not clearly marked on their web sites which is a deceptive practice at best being rated C+ (Sportsinteraction)

-Attacks on other similar sites to Sportsbookreviews (TOW and others )

-Attacks on advertisers of these other sites ( Richcoast Sports, No Juice Sports, Bet4Aces, USSportbook, to name a few )

All the above seem anything but fair, ethical, or the actions of an establishment purporting itself to be an unbiased watchdog with the players interests at heart.

[Terris]

If you say they should be F for highrollers John, i really dont understand the C+ rating...that is misleading.
.

[Terris]

Originally Posted by gotsteam

-Attacks on other similar sites to Sportsbookreviews (TOW and others )

-Attacks on advertisers of these other sites ( Richcoast Sports, No Juice Sports, Bet4Aces, USSportbook, to name a few )

lol...i agreed to a certain point with your post, but after reading this it is clear that you have no clue.

Everything said about TOW is true, Roberto takes the money and promotes risky books - end of the story.
Of course there are several tow shills around, its always the same, but the majority of us knows by now that TOW sucks big time.

[SBR_John]

Terris, let us work with the players on the present issues. The C+ rating was before we were aware. We intend to try to help the players involved and change the policy before the rating is re evaluated.

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Terris, let us work with the players on the present issues. The C+ rating was before we were aware. We intend to try to help the players involved and change the policy before the rating is re evaluated.

Let me see if I understand

As players, we are supposed to come to Sportsbookreviews to see what is going on in the industry, which books are bad, which can be trusted, etc

Yet, you yourself admit that you and Sportsbook review are not aware?

Not confidence inspiring to saw the least

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by Terris

lol...i agreed to a certain point with your post, but after reading this it is clear that you have no clue.

Everything said about TOW is true, Roberto takes the money and promotes risky books - end of the story.
Of course there are several tow shills around, its always the same, but the majority of us knows by now that TOW sucks big time.

You are right, we have all seen shills come to these forums, some have even been permitted to work the forums ( BetOnStars Jay )

But, honest and ethical business people do not attack their competitors

[rolemand]

Originally Posted by gotsteam

Yet, you yourself admit that you and Sportsbook review are not aware?

Duh! They're not going to know a book is up to something until a sportsbooks customer who feels he's been mistreated comes forth and relates the situation to them. After it's resolved they'll evaluate the book and see if a rating change is warranted.

[SBR_John]

Guys gosteam is down here in Costa Rica and who knows what is deal is. Maybe he works for a book we rate low, which would be a heavy chalk favorite. No big deal either way. Others here should realize that.

[BigDog]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Guys gosteam is down here in Costa Rica and who knows what is deal is. Maybe he works for a book we rate low, which would be a heavy chalk favorite. No big deal either way. Others here should realize that.

[SBR_John]

When you see a guy like Halifax make a post like this, everyone should take note:

Yeah, I know a couple of guys that this has happened to within the last couple of weeks ... deposit ... bet a couple of good lines ... account locked ... booted.

They had a pretty good reputation, all things considered, for a couple of years now ... up until about 6 weeks ago ... that was when they decided to start having common lines for BOS, Jag, MVPBets, etc. ... before that, BOS and the sister books like Jag, MVPBets, Rock Island, BettorsTrust all used to have similar lines, but often some lines were different from book to book ... that all changed about 6 weeks ago, and now those books all have common lines.

The sharp rise in the locking of accounts, the restricting of accounts to "phone-only", and the outright booting of players for betting good lines seemed to follow shortly after that change was made.

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Guys gosteam is down here in Costa Rica and who knows what is deal is. Maybe he works for a book we rate low, which would be a heavy chalk favorite. No big deal either way. Others here should realize that.

Yes I am here in Costa Rica, and have worked at a variety of books, some highly rated, and others not.

Been around long enough to know how this works, and believe that the general betting public should too!

Forgive me if pointing out the blatant hypocrisy found here and on other forums is unacceptable, I was laboring under the assumption that protecting the players interests were the most important thing here. Obviously I was mistaken

[SBR_John]

Are you working for a low rated book now?

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Are you working for a low rated book now?

No, not working in the gaming industry anymore, moving back to the states

Regarding my posts, I just call them like I see them.

I have seen many things working at the books I have worked at

Including manouvers by this site and others for $$$$$

As I dont work in the biz anymore, I am more than happy to share them and point them out to other sports betting fans who come here with the hopes of receiving unbiased info.

[SBR_John]

OK. The criticism is fine and even hijacking threads to get in some anti-SBR shots is fine. But your points show there is a forced agenda that we have seen before. If you think we will always be perect with 666 ratings and thousands of opinions you have unrealistic expectations. If you think we are the best well, I would agree . If not, feel free to list the sites you feel have better ratings & recommended lists and lets compare.

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

OK. The criticism is fine and even hijacking threads to get in some anti-SBR shots is fine. But your points show there is a forced agenda that we have seen before. If you think we will always be perect with 666 ratings and thousands of opinions you have unrealistic expectations. If you think we are the best well, I would agree . If not, feel free to list the sites you feel have better ratings & recommended lists and lets compare.

Yes criticism is how people can learn to improve...hopefully.

As for hijacking threads, i do believe i have stayed on the topic in each and every post I have made.

I believe all the ratings sites are similar, some better than others in regards to their business model,

Further all I can say regarding an agenda is my only agenda is that players should understand how these ratings and recommendation sites INCLUDING SBR, really work, and that $$$ exchange hands for preferential treatment, better ratings, and the like.

I think it is important the players understand this BEFORE they look at a rating or read a review, good, bad or otherwise.

After all this site is supposed to be for the players benefit, and protection, is it not?

[Chuck Sims]

Thank you John. Yes, I should of said UNLESS you are on the receiving end of the payoff or an RX moderator like "Fishhead", do not send money to BetOnSports.

[SBR_John]

OK so there is no site that you want to highlight as better than SBR with ratings and recommended list, not even one? Yep, thought so. OK, good luck steamer. We are in Ezcazu if you want to come by and see the operation. You are invited.