[SBR_John]

..its not the time of year to be playing in these kinds of books!! It's still a long time until football.

I don't know how serious the problems at No Juice are just yet but slow pays have started. We will have some more info soon.

Stay with B+ and higher books. Last I checked there were 60 books rated B+ or higher. There is simply no reason to subject yourself to this level of potential loss.

[Concorde]

..its not the time of year to be playing in these kinds of books!! It's still a long time until football.

I don't know how serious the problems at No Juice are just yet but slow pays have started. We will have some more info soon.

Stay with B+ and higher books. Last I checked there were 60 books rated B+ or higher. There is simply no reason to subject yourself to this level of potential loss.

John,

Seems it could only be a delay by Neteller. Yesterday Roberto told me that Dom was in Canada.

Hello Everyone at TOW,
As we have reported to tow we are in touch with Neteller to speed up the crediting of wires that have been sent but have not been credited. We have had phone problems this morning, they have since been fixed. Thank You for your understanding.
http://towforum.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=72963

[SBR_John]

Thanks concorde. You are a sophisticated player that has been in many low rated books, bailouts, hard time collecting, ect., so you know the game and understand the risks.

I just want to warn the regular players that this is a dangerous time of year to venture off the top shelf.

[joe blow]

No juice NEVER had a chance.If you did the math from the begining..With every thing they gave away 20% bonus no-juice games.-105 nba.
What will [if it already didn't]kill them is going after forum posters..New books should never go after forum posters simply because they all have many outs and will only bet with a new book when they have the best line.I would lay 2 to 1 that they will never see this football season..Even money that they are gone before the all star game.Not that i want any book to go down.....If you have money there and you don't pull it out ASAP
Don't blame Joe Blow Blame yourself

[SBR_John]

06.06.2006 (11:59 AM CST)

SBR Bill Dozer reports: NoJuice Sports (SBR rating D) blaming payout delays on three lost bank wires, totaling $40,000. Management states that bank checks and bank wires are offered however normal processing may require an additional week. Customer service tells SBR that other instant-transfer methods such as Moneybookers and ********** are only available for deposits citing a "new processing system". NoJuice has been downgraded from D+ to D.

This actually looks encouraging. I was prepared for the worse.

If it were me, I'd get my money out of there by any method possible, regardless of fees, rollover, lost bonuses, ect., while I see if they can absorb this blow. I would not ignore the tow downgrade, they are a sponsor there.

[joe blow]

JOHN... IF I WAS YOU, I WOULD STAY PREPARED.

Hope i am wrong,but i doubt it

[Bill Dozer]

John's advice is right one. Time to exit.

Jugding by the amounts of the pending withdrawals and balances from those players, NoJuice should already be sending more money to Neteller. The $40,000 will not be enough.

[Doug]

looks like it will be difficult to survive this. The thing NJ had was a good history of paying fast, now they don't. To my knowledge they only advertised at TOW, and TOW readers also read SBR, so it will be hard to get new customers, and old customers will be cautious.

Combine competitive baseball prices into it, and any volume will be hard to get. NJ prices on bases can be had or beat with other places like Pinny and Mansion.

I like the book, had good experiece there, but can't re-up now.

I hope they can make it somehow, but it looks to be unlikely.It will be so hard to undo the damage that's been done, and overcome both SBR and TOW downgrades.

[SBR_John]

No Juice is fighting off the 3 knockdown rule as we speak. Roberto has reported they will stop taking deposits as of now. One of the owners will try to cover as much of the debt as he can and the future is cloudy.

[joe blow]

JOHN... IF I WAS YOU, I WOULD STAY PREPARED.

Hope i am wrong,but i doubt it

Looks like i was right.I didn't think it would be today

6/6/06..well it wan't the end of the world,only for some of us.
BOL TO THE ONES THAT HAVE MONEY IN THERE

[SBR_John]

IF any players get paid please let us know. We are not hearing good things right now.

[JoshW]

IF any players get paid please let us know. We are not hearing good things right now.

I got paid 2k just now. I had really written them off in my mind overnight so is nice to get something. Was only partial as I requested 5k yesterday morning, but I will take it.

[BigDog]

damn,hope everyone that has money in NoJuice gets all funds owed to you.......GL

[Doug]

I notice they have lines up today.

John: I don't have a balanace, but in your opinion should those that do have a balance continue to bet ?

[JC]

I notice they have lines up today.

John: I don't have a balanace, but in your opinion should those that do have a balance continue to bet ?

No way. Betting into a place that may not be able to pay you if you win is not betting, it's charity, donating your money to a lost cause.

[Mudcat]

should those that do have a balance continue to bet ?

A big temptation might be to try to scalp out. Very dangerous. Each individual has to make their own call but I wouldn't in that situation.

I've been in similar situations. I basically just freeze the account and focus only on the payout. I make my plays elsewhere.

[Doug]

I wouldn't play either, I'm a bit surprised lines are up.

[SBR_John]

I notice they have lines up today.

John: I don't have a balanace, but in your opinion should those that do have a balance continue to bet ?

I would simply agree with JC 1,000%

If you bet there you are allowing them to take a free shot at you.

Like I said earlier, I would be screaming for any type of payout by any method. I'd take a partial payment or anything by any means I could get.

[pags11]

these guys are definitely done...