[Cloak & Dagger]

short term

long term

dosent matter

vote what you feel

Im interested to see how many people here at SBR believe that luck is not involved with gambling

I think this thread is more along the lines of what I was looking to find out about people beliefs on this particular subject

[betplom]

give it up already, you only make yourself look foolish.

I know you don't believe that either. Maybe I should start a poll.

[englishmike]

Lot of variables in this question.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by betplom

give it up already, you only make yourself look foolish.

I know you don't believe that either. Maybe I should start a poll.

whats the matter

afraid to vote and back your claim mr scientist?

[betplom]

Originally Posted by Cloak & Dagger

whats the matter

afraid to vote and back your claim mr scientist?

yes, you caught me, I'm terribly afraid of you.

Truth is, you give me a headache and you definitely aren't very swift, so I tend not to be very motivated/interested when I see your name in posts.

carry on being a fool, I'll check back later once the tylenol kicks in and I have a bit of a break from your nonsense.

[Cloak & Dagger]

where are all of SBR's scientists at now??

[Richkas]

sports and horses you need both. Any other kind of gambling all luck.

[durito]

Your question doesn't make any sense.

Casino games all have a house edge. Any winning sessions are "luck" (really just variance). But yes, you can use math to demonstrate this.

Sportsbetting is an entirely different endeavor.

[TLD]

I vote that it’s a meaningless question unless you define what you mean by “luck.”

Is “luck” a supernatural force operating independent of natural causal laws (e.g., gravity) and mathematical laws?

If that’s what you’re asking about, if you’re asking if there is some additional magical force not reducible to natural causal laws and math that affects the outcome of wagers, I’ll vote “no.”

[smitch124]

C & D I hope you were the one lucky enough to take the pic for your avatar, those girls look like they're just getting warmed up!

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by betplom

yes, you caught me, I'm terribly afraid of you.

Truth is, you give me a headache and you definitely aren't very swift, so I tend not to be very motivated/interested when I see your name in posts.

carry on being a fool, I'll check back later once the tylenol kicks in and I have a bit of a break from your nonsense.

actually all those numbers you are crunching are giving you that headache

while Im still enjoying my SD + 5 win from sunday

THAT I GOT LUCKY ON

here...go crunch some more numbers and give out a few picks in this thread for tonight and see how your win % is...

[Sinister Cat]

Originally Posted by TLD

I vote that it’s a meaningless question unless you define what you mean by “luck.”

Is “luck” a supernatural force operating independent of natural causal laws (e.g., gravity) and mathematical laws?

If that’s what you’re asking about, if you’re asking if there is some additional magical force not reducible to natural causal laws and math that affects the outcome of wagers, I’ll vote “no.”

I've been sitting here for the last 30 seconds trying to thing of a way to articulate why C&D's question is so funny. This hits the nail on the head-- the question seems to imply that luck is indeed some supernatural force that has nothing to do with math or the natural world. I love it.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by smitch124

C & D I hope you were the one lucky enough to take the pic for your avatar, those girls look like they're just getting warmed up!

haha

some whores getting drunk from the sac kings dance team

I think they took it and posted it on their myspace then everyone got a hold of it

there are other pics...on google

hooks

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by Sinister Cat

I've been sitting here for the last 30 seconds trying to thing of a way to articulate why C&D's question is so funny. This hits the nail on the head-- the question seems to imply that luck is indeed some supernatural force that has nothing to do with math or the natural world. I love it.

damn

you're a sinister cat

[yisman]

Sports gambling:

neither. It's a science with a large dash of luck.

You can't say it's all luck or that it's all science. There are no absolutes.

Slots and such:

All luck unless you somehow rig a machine.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by yisman

neither. It's a science with a large dash of luck.

You can't say it's all luck or that it's all science. There are no absolutes.

sharp post here

my question is though

do you NEED LUCK to win??

in gambling

or can you win solely on science???

[mmike032]

so if gambling is all about luck than why are casinos making a killing? I doubt their business plan was based on the luck that they would profit. It was based on mathmatics/probability and jackasses trying to get lucky.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by mmike032

so if gambling is all about luck than why are casinos making a killing? I doubt their business plan was based on the luck that they would profit. It was based on mathmatics/probability and jackasses trying to get lucky.

they are making a klilling of guys like yourself that have the illusion they can be beat with math and science??

[durito]

Originally Posted by Cloak & Dagger

they are making a klilling of guys like yourself that have the illusion they can be beat with math and science??

You cannot beat casino games (with the exception of card counting at black jack) with math, science, or voodoo.

No one here is suggesting otherwise.

[mmike032]

Originally Posted by Cloak & Dagger

they are making a klilling of guys like yourself that have the illusion they can be beat with math and science??

guys like myself dont play in casinos cause we know theres not a snowball chance in hell to win long term. I'd buy a lotto ticket before trying to make money at a casino.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by durito

You cannot beat casino games (with the exception of card counting at black jack) with math, science, or voodoo.

No one here is suggesting otherwise.

another sharp post...

hate to tell you durito...I was told otherwise today

kinda shocked me to read some of those replies as well

I was told I needed my GED or Diploma revoked because I believe what you just stated

[mmike032]

Originally Posted by durito

You cannot beat casino games (with the exception of card counting at black jack) with math, science, or voodoo.

No one here is suggesting otherwise.

I think were beating a dead horse here

[strictlywinners]

I guess I am kind of a scientist and yes it has led me to be profitable but the game still needs to be played and there are all kinds of unknowns that you just can't account for. So short term I say basically luck any Joe Smo can win, long term if you win consistently over a couple seasons then you have figured out some sort of science that works.

Example my theory killed it forever, then 2 weeks ago it took a turn for the south, no big deal cause I was up pretty huge. My numbers keep saying this system should rebound but it just keeps getting worse. I'm still up but gave a good chunk back, I hope it turns around soon, that is part of the science I guess, cause my probability and predictive equations say, it is almost impossible statisically for it to continue to lose much longer. If it does then its back to the drawing board.

I love the question, by the way.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by strictlywinners

I guess I am kind of a scientist and yes it has led me to be profitable but the game still needs to be played and there are all kinds of unknowns that you just can't account for. So short term I say basically luck any Joe Smo can win, long term if you win consistently over a couple seasons then you have figured out some sort of science that works.

Example my theory killed it forever, then 2 weeks ago it took a turn for the south, no big deal cause I was up pretty huge. My numbers keep saying this system should rebound but it just keeps getting worse. I'm still up but gave a good chunk back, I hope it turns around soon, that is part of the science I guess, cause my probability and predictive equations say, it is almost impossible statisically for it to continue to lose much longer. If it does then its back to the drawing board.

I love the question, by the way.

great post here

is it possible...just maybe...you werent lucky 2 weeks ago?

[Cloak & Dagger]

I think the PITT/SD game is a prime example of "getting lucky"

lets say all the numbers pointed to PITT covering the spread..well according to reports 2/3 of the money was on PITT..so the "scientists" felt they had an edge right?

they by some gift from God PITT gets a fluke TD with 0:00 time remaining to cover

you just got lucky right?...because your math failed you

then all the sudden...refs make a gaf...and bam

you just got unlucky...and whoever had SD + 5 must be the luckiest person ever on that day

eH?

[TLD]

Define “luck.”

[freeVICK]

id rather be lucky than smart

[Chi_archie]

in the long haul....any "luck" factor disappears, and a lifetime gambler will have about 50% "lucky" wins and 50% unlucky losses.... canceling each other out.

so that leaves getting the best numbers, having good systems, and whatever else a particular person believes their "handi-capping" involves to get 54% on games that don't "involve luck".... and that's pretty rare.

don't believe predicting how groups and individuals of future performance against other groups/individuals based on past performances is scientific at all....very difficult to come up with a mathmatical model for how an 18 year old responds to a last sec free throw, or fg attempt.

find +ev and money management is the mathmatics

[Mudcat]

Winning at gambling in the long term is about nothing but science and numbers. The smartest person wins.

People can have short term runs of luck, good and bad, but in the long term, the percentages take over. No such thing as luck.


(I am well aware that any member of the debating team can pick apart my wording forever - I can pick it apart myself - but that is the spirit of the thing as I see it.)

[MonkeyF0cker]

Originally Posted by freeVICK

id rather be lucky than smart

I'd rather be dead than stupid.

[RogueJuror]

Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker

I'd rather be dead than stupid.

lol

[Chi_archie]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

Winning at gambling in the long term is about nothing but science and numbers. The smartest person wins.

People can have short term runs of luck, good and bad, but in the long term, the percentages take over. No such thing as luck.


(I am well aware that any member of the debating team can pick apart my wording forever - I can pick it apart myself - but that is the spirit of the thing as I see it.)

not being nit-picky or debating MC...

but I think there is more then just "smartest person" winning...has to go deeper then just brain intelligence.

I think emotions almost as big of a role as intelligence..

you can have a great handicapper, intelligent, and wise in the ways of sports or his proven sport... But given that run of bad or even good luck, and they can screw up a month or season of grinding it out "intelligently" and "scientifically"

I bet you can find a ton of really smart people that have lost an obscene amount sports wagering

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker

I'd rather be dead than stupid.

arernt you suppost to be in a WSOP tourney right now?

or you take a break in between hands to post on SBR

[MonkeyF0cker]

WSOP? No. It's a Caesars Megastack. There are breaks in the tournament. I really don't know why you find that humorous though.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by TLD

Define “luck.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luck

Luck (also called fortuity) is a chance happening, or that which happens beyond a person's control. Luck can be good or bad (as in; Good fortune or misfortune).