09-23-05, 04:28 AM
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#36
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Razz- I agree
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09-23-05, 06:21 AM
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#37
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Razz I give out so much good info on boards it is unreal and some guys take it the wrong way for some reason. I guess they are uniformed or do not read enough.
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09-23-05, 07:57 AM
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#38
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You really have to be a genius to scalp. Anyone can do it. Here's a 7.44% scalp. A 5th grader could scalp.
2 Russia - Lithuania
Basketball, Europe, European Championship 2005
23/09/05 14:30 Moneyline 7.44 %
Russia
110
bet365
Lithuania
120
5Dimes
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09-23-05, 08:01 AM
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#39
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Raiders what scalping software you using to get that data
They actually have some decnt stuff where all you do is look at screen and all arbs are there
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09-23-05, 08:07 AM
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#40
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I'll give you guys another one. These are tough to find. I hear that scalpers are automatically accepted as Mensa members.
Odds to win AL East MLB
Bos +141 Pinny
NYY -130 CRIS
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09-23-05, 08:11 AM
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#41
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Coach- PM me. I could use it. I don't want to help these guys anymore that think you need to be an Einstein to scalp. Thanks
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09-23-05, 08:11 AM
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#42
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more power to them
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04-18-06, 10:43 PM
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#43
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Originally Posted by Razz
Granted, jj says a lot of things that come across as controversial, but I don't understand why anyone would take offense to this statement. He's not saying its stupid to scalp or middle, just that you are not a sharp because you do that.
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04-20-06, 12:25 AM
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#44
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scalpers are definitely not as respected as handicappers...
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04-20-06, 12:23 PM
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#45
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Originally Posted by pags11
scalpers are definitely not as respected as handicappers...
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I would beg to differ with that as I definitely respect anyone who can make a living off sports betting whether it be by picking a high % of winners or scalping. Either way, if you're making 40k+/year you have my respect. |
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04-20-06, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pags11
scalpers are definitely not as respected as handicappers...
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So wrong. That may be true of a small (but vocal) number of frustrated posting forum types, but most of the world knows the score about how respectable handicapping is. It's tolerable if it can be kept at a hobby level but unfortunately, too often, it does huge damage and rips lives and families apart.
It is not respected. It is considered a vice. I mean, come on.
I am both a capper and a scalper and I definitely have more respect for scalpers. I am glad there are so many cappers. They're the ones losing and that keeps the industry going. I am grateful for them.
But when you've got one group paying the bills of the other, it's pretty obvious who the top dogs are.
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04-20-06, 01:29 PM
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#47
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Sharp post Mudcat. Agree 100%.
Our soceity is weird; someone who gambles on the stock market is an "investor" but a scalper who locks in a guaranteed profit on sports is a "gambler".
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Beware of AK. He is a known scammer, and has been known to sell databases of player information he obtains illegally from sportsbooks. Google it for more info.
He has also scammed a US military stationed abroad on a $500 trading card deal on Beckett.com. He has also bounced a $21 check at Walmart. Seriously.
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04-20-06, 02:20 PM
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#48
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good post Mudcat as usual....really scalping is far more desirable than gambling in my opinion.
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04-20-06, 05:28 PM
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#49
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what are books tolerance levels for scalpers? do they accept action or frown upon it?
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04-20-06, 08:20 PM
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Steelers Over
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Easy to confuse two different things.
A sharp wins his bets most of the time. Billy Walters was mentioned. He hit 55% lifetime, which is considered very high (not necessarily by me).
Middling has to do with money management. It is a completely different subject. The more you understand about money management, the more money you will make. A sharp can middle and a square can middle. It has nothing to do with picking sides. But a sharp that knows how and when to middle makes more money than a sharp that doesn't.
Ultimately, ability is measured in money, not in winning percentage. Therefore, any 'sharp' that thinks middling is for squares needs to take a good look in the $$$ mirror. All he does is show ignorance about money management.
Example: Instead of 1 unit on PHX -7.5, a middle of 1.5 units on PHX -7.5 and 0.5 unit on opponent +8.5 can be the smart play. Especially in a sport as basketball where the margins are very small.
Last edited by Dark Horse; 04-20-06 at 08:23 PM..
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01-17-07, 08:50 AM
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#52
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Okay I am a noob but could someone work out the definitions here?
I think I know what a scalper is (arber) that is betting on all outcomes but have no clue what a middler, a sharp or whatever is.
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01-17-07, 08:57 AM
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#53
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Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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A "middle" is a bet that a team's margin of victory will fall within a certain range. It is made by placing two opposing bets with varying point spreads. For a middle the point spread on the dog will be greater than the pointspread on the fave.
An example is: Bet 1 unit on Team A +12.5 points at -110
Bet 1 unit on Team B -9.5 points at -110.
Hence, if the margin of victory for Team B falls between 10 and 12 points inclusively, you'll win 2 units. If not you'll lose 0.2 units.
A "reverse middle" is a bet that a team's margin of victory will not fall within a certain range. It is made by placing two opposing bets with different point spreads. For a middle the pointspread on the dog will be lower than the pointspread on the fave.
An example is: Bet 1 unit on Team A +9.5 points at +110
Bet 1 unit on Team B -12.5 points at +110.
Hence, if the margin of victory for Team B falls between 10 and 12 points inclusively, you'll lose 2 units. If not you'll win 0.2 units.
Note that not all middles are on balance profitable. The only way to determine if a given middle yields a positive expected return is to examine the historical frequency of various margins of victory given specific point spreads.
A "sharp" (aka an "advantage player") is an astute, typically profitable bettor.
A "square" is the opposite of a sharp, usually implying a tendency to follow the herd. |
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01-17-07, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ganchrow
A "middle" is a bet that a team's margin of victory will fall within a certain range. It is made by placing two opposing bets with varying point spreads. For a middle the point spread on the dog will be greater than the pointspread on the fave.
An example is: Bet 1 unit on Team A +12.5 points at -110
Bet 1 unit on Team B -9.5 points at -110.
Hence, if the margin of victory for Team B falls between 10 and 12 points inclusively, you'll win 2 units. If not you'll lose 0.2 units.
A "reverse middle" is a bet that a team's margin of victory will not fall within a certain range. It is made by placing two opposing bets with different point spreads. For a middle the pointspread on the dog will be lower than the pointspread on the fave.
An example is: Bet 1 unit on Team A +9.5 points at +110
Bet 1 unit on Team B -12.5 points at +110.
Hence, if the margin of victory for Team B falls between 10 and 12 points inclusively, you'll lose 2 units. If not you'll win 0.2 units.
Note that not all middles are on balance profitable. The only way to determine if a given middle yields a positive expected return is to examine the historical frequency of various margins of victory given specific point spreads.
A "sharp" (aka an "advantage player") is an astute, typically profitable bettor.
A "square" is the opposite of a sharp, usually implying a tendency to follow the herd. |
Thanks man. Now i just gotta check up what astute mean  |
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01-17-07, 11:19 AM
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#55
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A better than fair capper, betting on all 6 american sports- should easily return in the neighborhood of +100 units/year. I admire the dedication and skill of hedge style players- but from a profit standpoint wouldn't it be more efficient to commit time to uncovering long term winning stratigies and playing them consistently?
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01-17-07, 11:22 AM
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#56
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for now & for USA
scalping & middles are thinks of the past
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10-09-09, 11:38 PM
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Spurs
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Originally Posted by jjgold
Are not gamblers
Please do not call yourself gamblers and try to justify your one of us. I can care less if you do this but get furious when these guys call themsleves sharp and sports bettors.
These guys are good math guys period.
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10-10-09, 09:36 AM
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#58
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Spurs
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Can you elaborate on this coach?
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10-10-09, 11:13 AM
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#59
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I wish the books would see it that way and not delay, limit, and boot middlers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by raiders72001
Scalpers aren't Sharps. It's two totally different things even though there's nothing wrong with scalping.
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10-10-09, 01:15 PM
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#60
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jjgold still around ?
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10-10-09, 01:58 PM
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#61
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Amazing how my theories still hold up in todays markets.
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10-10-09, 03:37 PM
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#62
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scalpers/ middlers are by far the sharpest of the sharp gamblers worldwide. if you have the talent to be able to scalp and middle and know how to do it properly, you can make 5k a week easily in your sleep and NO RISK doing it, too.
it takes a lot of talent to be able to take early leads on the lines and buy back at peak # and knowing when a number has reached its peak..
sure a bettor will make more over the long haul, however, a scalper/middler has zero risk, which is big.. he is guaranteed his profit each year, whereas a gambler can still have a bad year and make very little or even lose if it's really a bad year..
scalpers and middlers are champs.. and the sharpest of the sharp..
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10-10-09, 03:48 PM
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Sharps don't lower their expected growth intentionally. And back when this post was made, any idiot could find an arb. Now that lines are more efficient and cloned more often, the arbitrage strategy is virtually outdated. No sharp and certainly no "math guy" is gonna say, "I'd rather make $89 every time I bet this edge than $103."
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