[Ganchrow]

Hi Jonathan,

I was wondering if you could fill us in a little more on some of the details behind the new SBR Lines. Specifically:

1. What is the delay between a book's changing of a line and that line change being recognized by the SBRL XML server? (Not necessarily being read by a client, just being available for serving.)
2. Does this delay vary across books?
3. I notice that the last update time for each book is only provided in the flash applet. Would it be possible to create a callback flag which specifices whether this data is included (along with the server time when the request was carried out) in the raw table data?
4. Can we expect the ordering of the books within the table to stay constant? Either way, perhaps a book identifier could be included for each column of the raw table data?

Keep up the great work!

[Mudcat]

I didn't even know we had a Jonathan.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I didn't even know we had a Jonathan.

You had me thinking I was crazy for a moment there.

This Jonathan.

[Agent Smith]

Jonathan does not like to post much. Maybe I can answer some of your questions.

no. no. no. no. no.

[Jonathan]

Plase make all that questions to Agent Smith.

[Agent Smith]

1st I am going to take a wild guess by reading between the lines and guess that you like the lines and see some potential personal use if you could customize it more is that about right?

Regardless here are some answers.

SBRlines 2.0 pulls each books lines at about 1-3 seconds. you can see the times at the top of each book, That time specifies the last time we FINISHED parsing the books feed. The Server time is the exact time on our server and the individual books times are how far off we are in terms of delay.

As you can see where are pretty balls to the walls on.

You mentioned 'SBRL XML server'.

With regards to our free webmaster tool for customizing sbrlines to an individual webmasters site, we are in the process of upgrading from our old software to our new and should have a new version ready late next week that gives webmasters the same functionality of their tool as seen on SBRlines.com.

'Can we expect the ordering of the books within the table to stay constant? Either way, perhaps a book identifier could be included for each column of the raw table data?'

This wont happen we dont want to allow anyone an easy way to spider our site for their own purposes. If you need a customized XML feed, perhaps we can discuss an anual fee for such a feed.


I hope these answers help.
If you have any more questions please feel free to email me at Webmaster@sportsbookreview.com

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by Agent Smith

no. no. no. no. no.

Well, you're definitely concise.

Even if #3 and #4 are understandably out of the question, I am still curious with regards to timing and how (and indeed if) this may vary from book to book.

I'll send you an e-mail.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by Agent Smith

I hope these answers help.
If you have any more questions please feel free to email me at Webmaster@sportsbookreview.com

They do. Much appreciated.

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by ganchrow

You had me thinking I was crazy for a moment there.

This Jonathan.

Oh no.

If in doubt, always default to: Mudcat is the crazy one.

[SBR_John]

I'd need this thread translated but I think they said something like 'DYNomite-out-of-sight!"...but I cant be sure.

[jjgold]

The Pinnacle Lines on SBR Lines beats the Pinny XMl line changes

[Senator7]

Originally Posted by Agent Smith

That time specifies the last time we FINISHED parsing the books feed.

There's that parsing word again! I'm not even going to ask someone to explain this thread to me because you'd really have to dumb it down for me to understand it!

Senator 7

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by jjgold

The Pinnacle Lines on SBR Lines beats the Pinny XML line changes

Perhaps so, but I've found Pinny's XML lines to be slower than their HTML lines (i.e., the lines freely available on their website). I wonder how SBR Lines compares with that speedwise... (or with DB or any other real or near real time line service)

[Ganchrow]

From dictionary.com:

parse (pärs)
v. parsed, pars·ing, pars·es
v. tr.
...
Computer Science. To analyze or separate (input, for example) into more easily processed components.

[Senator7]

Originally Posted by ganchrow

I wonder how SBR Lines compares with that speedwise... (or with DB or any other real or near real time line service)

Was actually wondering that myself. I was thinking about getting G&J in a month or so, but if SBR is just as fast, I would pass on G&J and save the money each month. I guess the question is if SBR Lines could be effectively used as a substitute for G&J or Don Best.

Senator 7

[jjgold]

Senator I use both G-J and SBR lines so I can get many books to follow. G-J has books that SBR does not and vice versa.

Both have different looks but both great products.

[GJMike]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Senator I use both G-J and SBR lines so I can get many books to follow. G-J has books that SBR does not and vice versa.

Both have different looks but both great products.

Just to be clear, SBR doesnt have any books that G&J doesnt.. Also, it (SBR) is a good product for what it is, but it does not provide late breaking injuries, urgent messages, weather, a line tracker feature, Crucial Line Move feature, etc. However, that is the reason they are free. I would never knock SBRs product because, to date, it is the best free service out there. A list of books on G&J, with more coming soon:

Buckeye
Grande
Pinnacle
5Dimes
WSC
Hollywood
Cascade
CRIS
Eagle
Fidelity
Stardust
Wynn
Palms
Nugget
Stations
Hilton
Wagerweb
BestLine
724
PlatinumSB
WWTS
Guardian
Mansion
Jamaica
Canbet
ABC
Bowmans
IslandCasino
Oasis
BetOnline
Olympic
BetUS
Millennium
Carib
SBG
WWWagering
LasPalmas
Mybookie
Royal
Matchbook
DSI
Betcom
Allworld
Oddessa
BetProcessing
BetDon
Horizon
Intertops

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by GJMike

but it does not provide late breaking injuries, urgent messages, weather

What exactly are G&J sources for the above? Are they anything other than that which is already freely available on the Internet?

[Dave]

wow, thats a big list.

Hey Mike, I wanted to say thanks for the free 90 day GJ account but I never received any response on where or how to download it. Can you hook me up?

[GJMike]

Originally Posted by ganchrow

What exactly are G&J sources for the above? Are they anything other than that which is already freely available on the Internet?

Yes, we have sources that are not available on the internet. If you were one of our customers you would know that we beat everyone in the industry to important injuries and other alerts.

For instance, what we sent out awhile ago:

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (3B) Castilla is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington.

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (OF) Guillen is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington.

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (OF) Wilkerson is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington.


In baseball injuries arent *as* important, but they will still swing the line. And that is information you have well before anyone else on the net.

[SBR_John]

SBG, Royal, BetUS ???? hmmm

[SBR_John]

Where is BetPanAM? ... LOL jus kidding.

[GJMike]

Some people have never had problems with the aforementioned books. We dont advocate playing anywhere, and you wont see us touting any of the books on our screen. However when customers ask for the books, we deliver. Also, any customer has the option to remove or customize any book we offer. Good luck down in TX, I hope everything works out ok...

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by GJMike

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (3B) Castilla is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington

...

Interesting. What was the time stamp on this?

[Ganchrow]

Also, do you provide raw data feeds, or does everything need to be accessed through your GUI?

Do you offer an API?

[GJMike]

Originally Posted by Dave

wow, thats a big list.

Hey Mike, I wanted to say thanks for the free 90 day GJ account but I never received any response on where or how to download it. Can you hook me up?

www.gjupdate.com

Gold Odds, Install. The pass I gave you at the bash should still work, however if it does not I will set you up with one.

[GJMike]

Speaking of injuries, DB just sent the ones I posted on here and the line went crazy... I am sure you can see it painted on SBRs lines...

[GJMike]

ganchrow, like SBR we need to protect our information. It is proprietary and not available with an SDK or API.

[GJMike]

Originally Posted by ganchrow

Interesting. What was the time stamp on this?

Our timestamp says 12:50. DB timestamp says 12:58, but they move that back about 10 min.... And this is verifiable, login to their premium and clock the timestamp on their website from when you get the message. We beat them by about 10-20 minutes on most injuries. And since they are still the king with a substantial amount more customers than us, you have time to get down with that information before the screen books start moving. That is where the real value comes into play. Until we are DB status you can pretty much beat the number before it moves.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by GJMike

ganchrow, like SBR we need to protect our information. It is proprietary and not available with an SDK or API.

While your data feeds may well be proprietary, clearly your information is not. I'm just curious to know more about your sources, however. Obviously all this information has to originate somewhere and is then released to the public. Are you saying that you have sources which allow you to receive this information before the public?

Realize I'm not in any way trying to cast doubt, I just want to understand the claims being made about your product ...

[GJMike]

Originally Posted by ganchrow

While your data feeds may well be proprietary, clearly your information is not. I'm just curious to know more about your sources, however. Obviously all this information has to originate somewhere and is then released to the public. Are you saying that you have sources which allow you to receive this information before the public?

Realize I'm not in any way trying to cast doubt, I just want to understand the claims being made about your product ...

Simply put, yes. We get that information before the public. Just think of it as if you could be sitting in the stands of every major sporting event and see who walks out of the locker room. You are more than welcome to try to beat us, scour the internet or whatever source you have and I would almost guarantee we will have the information at least 30-40 minutes before it hits any web-page, and 10 minutes before it hits the DB screen.

Now like everything there are exceptions, but on the whole, we are the fastest.

[EBone]

Originally Posted by GJMike

Yes, we have sources that are not available on the internet. If you were one of our customers you would know that we beat everyone in the industry to important injuries and other alerts.

For instance, what we sent out awhile ago:

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (3B) Castilla is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington.

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (OF) Guillen is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington.

MLB Baseball: Gm# 910 Preliminary Lineups indicate that (OF) Wilkerson is NOT expected to be in the starting lineup for Washington.


In baseball injuries arent *as* important, but they will still swing the line. And that is information you have well before anyone else on the net.

GJMike,
If this is what you say it is, the injuries known before the public can be unbelievably powerful and money-making stuff.



E

[GJMike]

Originally Posted by EBone

GJMike,
If this is what you say it is, the injuries known before the public can be unbelievably powerful and money-making stuff.



E

That is the ultimate point of a premium line service. Having information before the game moves.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by GJMike

Simply put, yes. We get that information before the public. Just think of it as if you could be sitting in the stands of every major sporting event and see who walks out of the locker room.

I would be thrilled to think about it that way -- but only if its true. I'm just wondering how it's possible. I assume you don't have people sitting in the stands of every major sporting event, right?

Originally Posted by GJMike

You are more than welcome to try to beat us, scour the internet or whatever source you have and I would almost guarantee we will have the information at least 30-40 minutes before it hits any web-page, and 10 minutes before it hits the DB screen.

The info you gave above was already available from MLB.com when you posted it (I don't know when it first became available) and became available within a couple of minutes on Yahoo (which usually seems a bit slow, but in this case beat DB to press ...)

[EBone]

Originally Posted by GJMike

That is the ultimate point of a premium line service. Having information before the game moves.

Since I have never paid for or trialed a premium line service, I did not know that this info was available through your service. Thank you for educating me. Is it still $550 per month?


E