[Al Masters]

Im relitivly new here and have found this site to be very
beneficial and informative, however over the last few days
ive found myself wondering what comes first the player or
the book(thought it was the player)the reason ive been
wondering this can be said in one word..hollywood.

How come with all we know about hollywood now, sbr still
has them rated A and the much bIgger question how come
the advertisement is still there? I would think it would be a
no brainer and an automatic take down.

for the new guy on here it puts your (SBR) integrety into
question.

that said no offense to any of you moderarters who have
been kind to me here with welcomes and quick responses.

[bigboydan]

AL, the ratings have nothing to do with the mods at all. this question of yours in best answered by Bill or John.

btw, i do agree about hollywood still being a top notch book. the new owners are very questionable IMO.

[tacomax]

Firstly, Hollywood were taken off the Recommended List. Also their rating was downgraded to C+. The possible only other issue is the banner on the forum - this could be still there for any number of reasons, one of which being a current advertising deal.

With no disrespect to the OP, it seems like there are a lot of people trying to blame SBR for the current problems at Hollywood.

[bigboydan]

i don't put the blame on SBR at all. if your going to be fair about this one, you would have to put the blame on every watchdog site out there flying the hollywood banner.

[onlòóker]

The banner is still up there because they have a deal to the end of the month from what I gathered.

But like Dan said, that is better answered by John or Bill.

They have been downgraded and removed from the recommended list, like Taco explained. So SBR is taking the steps to showing the public to use caution with Hollywood these days.

[SBR_John]

Yes, I think its time to take them down and refund them their balance. We realized there could be some transition problems but this is just too much.

[bigboydan]

just thinking out loud here John, but why refund the remaining balance ? ...

your agreement was under the old owners correct ? ..if thats the case, i don't feel you should be obligated to do that IMO

[SBR_John]

They have paid to advertise here. It would be unethical to take them down and not refund the time that they will not be advertised.

I wish we could send the refund to the previous owner. He will be consulted and his word on where the refund will go will be final as far as I'm concerned.

[natrass]

You cant say fairer than actually giving money back because an advertiser standards have fallen.

From just a punters point of view, I only opened an account there a month ago and while I bitched about their lack of options I dont think anyone could have guessed a good book would go so bad so fast.

How long had Hollywood been around before this demise?

[slacker00]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Yes, I think its time to take them down and refund them their balance. We realized there could be some transition problems but this is just too much.

Tough situation all around, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm sure there will be another sponsor more than happy to pick up Hollywood's slot, so the ad money shouldn't be a concern.

[slash]

When will that dumbass BBD stop posting?? I can't believe he is getting paid to post his meaningless bullshit.

[imgv94]

Originally Posted by slash

When will that dumbass BBD stop posting?? I can't believe he is getting paid to post his meaningless bullshit.

slash? Where have ya been? I always liked your
posts!!! Hope everything is good!!

[Al Masters]

Originally Posted by tacomax

Firstly, Hollywood were taken off the Recommended List. Also their rating was downgraded to C+. The possible only other issue is the banner on the forum - this could be still there for any number of reasons, one of which being a current advertising deal.

With no disrespect to the OP, it seems like there are a lot of people trying to blame SBR for the current problems at Hollywood.

Taco i certainly wasnt blaming SBR for the hollywood
situation.

imagine this scenerio (albeit a longshot) still very possible.

new user arrives here....as i did a month ago........95% of things he hears bout sbr is positive(nice number). he then proceeds to get involved with an online book. doesnt do his homework and unlucky him decides to pick hollywood ....1 out of 16 shot on the SBR banner board.

well now he finds himself in the hollywood debacle.
whos fault is it? certainly the players to a certain extent,
im sure youd also agree sbr would also have a part
to play in his getting involved with (what is now a BS book)

[Winston Smith]

The book who paid for that banner seemingly is gone. A ratings drop is one thing, but the implication of the banners on SBR is that it is a safe place to play. Time to take it down. You're not advertising for the same company anymore.

[imgv94]

Originally Posted by Al Masters

Taco i certainly wasnt blaming SBR for the hollywood
situation.

imagine this scenerio (albeit a longshot) still very possible.

new user arrives here....as i did a month ago........95% of things he hears bout sbr is positive(nice number). he then proceeds to get involved with an online book. doesnt do his homework and unlucky him decides to pick hollywood ....1 out of 16 shot on the SBR banner board.

well now he finds himself in the hollywood debacle.
whos fault is it? certainly the players to a certain extent,
im sure youd also agree sbr would also have a part
to play in his getting involved with (what is now a BS book)

Can't wait to hear taco's reply to this one!!! Good post AL

[Winston Smith]

I'm sure it will refer to the fact that the transition to Sportingbet wasn't an issue a month ago. Different circumstances.

But definitely needs to come down now.

[Al Masters]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

They have paid to advertise here. It would be unethical to take them down and not refund the time that they will not be advertised.

I wish we could send the refund to the previous owner. He will be consulted and his word on where the refund will go will be final as far as I'm concerned.

sbr john , with all do respect i agree it would be unethical
in a normal situation to take em down without a
a refund or them getting there fair time,however
IMO you are being unethical towards your users
especially your new users who are not as sports
book savy by leaving them on the banner board.

i realize to a certain extent your in a comprimising
situation. i also realize in other situations SBR
has come to the aid of many a distressed player.
so this is definitly not an attack on SBR, as a
whole entity, SBR is as good a source for anything
online sportsbook related . that said in this
situation your dead wrong john. you got a choice
there both bad choices. either

A) be unethical to hollywood
B) be unethical to the user/player


and so far the SBR response has been B

[freebie]

Originally Posted by slash

When will that dumbass BBD stop posting?? I can't believe he is getting paid to post his meaningless bullshit.

dumbass. LOL!

[Mudcat]

The transition of Hollywood to Sportingbet has been crappy but I really think there has been some extreme over-dramatization going on.

Sure, the banner should come down. SBR is busted for being caught by surprise on this one. But the general freaking out taking place on the boards has been way out of proportion with reality IMO.

I just feel that needs to be said because, if there are any inexperienced players with money in there, they must be beside themselves with panic. I really don't think there is anything to worry about. This is not Bet Panam. This is Sportingbet. No, they're not an "A" organization (and again, yes, the banner should come down) but I've got 20K in there and I'm not the least bit worried.

[Willie Bee]

Originally Posted by Al Masters

Taco i certainly wasnt blaming SBR for the hollywood situation...well now he finds himself in the hollywood debacle. whos fault is it? certainly the players to a certain extent, im sure youd also agree sbr would also have a part to play in his getting involved with (what is now a BS book)

Let's see, you're not blaming SBR yet you still hold SBR responsible. Sounds like someone straddling a fence to me.

By the time you started this thread yesterday afternoon, Hollywood was NOT an A-book. Wasn't even a B-book. Anyone who "doesn't do their homework" and picks a book based solely on some coin flipish, willy-nilly, "Hey, I've got a one in 16 chance" attitude needs to simply accept the fact that their own lack of preparation as well as the gods of fate dealt them a bad hand. There is ample information here to have warned everyone over the last week that, at the very least, what were normal ops at Hollywood are no longer in effect.

[Al Masters]

Id agree with you mudcat that many posts including mine have been filed with fear when it comes this topic, and im sure/hope your right in your assessment that all will be well, and there is nothing to worry bout.

Sure, nobody wants to panic anyone, however the bottom line for the banner being there is to attract NEW CUSTOMERS.

So as you have acknowledged that the banner should be taken away, and as this thread was started cause the banner wasnt taken away so all the following posts deemed extreme over-dramatization(with which i agree) are only here because
SBR did not do the right thing, by keeping it up.

[Al Masters]

hey bumble bee..

ill give you the A part as being correct as the last time i had looked it was an A. im wrong for stating that as of yesterdays time

However, if youve paid attention to the posts following, all have been discussions on the banner, should it be up or not?
if you or anyone else thinks it should stay up g-d bless and no problem, and as i told taco ill tell you again i dont and how can anyone blame SBR for hollywoods current affairs.

and yes they are responsible if any one joins up though them on a banner that isnt what it says any more.

regardless have how bright the person is.

[SBR_John]

A lot of good points. Best point is a newbie comes here and has 1 in 16 chance of picking Holly and we can not chance that.

We appreciate the feedback from everyone.

[slash]

Originally Posted by imgv94

slash? Where have ya been? I always liked your
posts!!! Hope everything is good!!

Thanks imgv, I've been completely away from the scene for some time for personal reasons, and I am still just checking in from time to time. Hope all is well on your end too!

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by imgv94

Can't wait to hear taco's reply to this one!!! Good post AL

Why? It's got nothing to do with me.

In my post, I was clarifying the OP's incorrect thinking that Hollywood was still an A rated book. Then I was just putting forward what I thought was the reasoning behind the actions by SBR regarding the banner which, in turn, appeared to be correct. Hope this helps.

[The Great One]

If you must leave it up for advertising purposes and to fulfill some type of contract, fine. It shouldn't be much longer.


HOWEVER

Why not put up a big bold sticky on the top of the forum thats says what is going on with Holywood and that new users should beware of that book at this stage?

That way you stick to your $$ agreement with them and you are doing right by the current and new members here.

[tacomax]

What banner is everyone banging on about?

[Al Masters]

.....................bravo Sbr.......................

[Mudcat]

There we go, eh.

[marc]

John,

Whatever you decide to do, I just hoep you don't send out any refund checks unitl you first have confirmation that all of Hollywood's players have been piad. If the hollywood owners can't pay thier players in a timely manner, they should have zero expectation that they will be paid any faster.

[Illusion]

Great move for taking the banner down.

[isetcap]

I want the banner back up.

[imgv94]

Originally Posted by slash

Thanks imgv, I've been completely away from the scene for some time for personal reasons, and I am still just checking in from time to time. Hope all is well on your end too!

When I first logged into SBR, it was one of your
posts that I read first. I remembered your crazy
avatar and also usually agreeing with you.

[onlòóker]

Good to see it down.

It should of stayed down when we took it off the day of the news about Hollywood.

[Illusion]

One last thought, any other forum would have kept the banner up and kept collecting $$$

Yet another reason why SBR is the best.