[jjgold]

Someting is wrong then.

You cannot be looking for $25's and $50's and possible be in postion to gamble

Re evaluate

[Terris]

dont know what he wrote, but id say: if you are always talking rubbish, you should not be spamming.

[Mudcat]

Makes no sense jj.

I make a good enjoyable living betting on sports - so of course I should be betting - and I am always looking for bonuses (and good lines and good capping info and good research and good everything else that might lead to $$$).

But your position is that I should leave some money on the table and do a half-assed job and not give a full effort? You feel bettors should purposely make things more difficult for themselves?

Ummm

NO

[Senator7]

I like JJ and I have enjoyed most of his posts, but he's really had some stupid posts lately.

Senator 7

[BAUS]

JJ provides better humour than gambling advice.

BAUS

[tacomax]

Someting is wrong then.

You cannot be looking for $25's and $50's and possible be in postion to gamble

Re evaluate

Son, maybe you should take a few bonuses so you'll be able to afford some better drugs.

Son, the shit you've been taking tonight is frying your brain.

[EBone]

To be fair, this thread might have been aimed at my thread about Hollywood. I certainly made a mistake by taking the higher bonus instead of the -107 back then (April of this year). The only reason I did it was because I didn't know how long I'd be in the game this time. In hindsight, it was a bad, bad call.


Maybe that's why JJ started this thread.......Just a thought.


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[THESCOUT]

wow, another post to his total

[jjgold]

If you trace out most people that look for bonuses they are compulsive gambler, flat broke or scammers

[natrass]

jj ... how about taking a holiday, son .. please.

[jjgold]

natrassososo that is my view of them. I have never taken bonuses or look for free money. We gamble in Newark and for the most part players lose all the money in account trying to rollover money.

Natrasso stick with me kid and be a real gambler

Good Luck Son

These are my views and I will stick to them

[natrass]

jj, my boy ... your taxi's here

[jjgold]

Natraski I know your Polish kid but that is ok. Please make the right decisions when your gambling and try to stay one ahead of your book.

Bet with your head and not over and May God Bless You

Dallas 1st half and Saints Side 80x reverse

[natrass]

Cheers jj ... Bedlington Terriers 0,0.5 @ 3.2

[Mudcat]

What I find is that people with prejudices against taking bonuses are almost always the frustrated losers, trying to judge others to avoid taking a good look at themselves.

Enlightened modern sharps can see the obvious advantage of not resisting when someone tries to hand you money.

[jjgold]

Big Cat I haver a bad habit of pre judging but I admit my faults

[natrass]

jj ... we're all ears

[Rainbow]

Someting is wrong then.

You cannot be looking for $25's and $50's and possible be in postion to gamble

Re evaluate

100% AGREED, too many BONUS WHORE'S.

[jjgold]

Thanks Bowa

Anywhere I look I see guys looking for bonoses. I mean do they have any money to bet?

Should they even be betting??

[jay88]

Do you know that 70% of gamblers are recreational. This are people that bet from $5 to $50 per game just to put a little extra fun into the game while they are watching it, they bet for the rush of it and not to make money.
I believe that this type of bettors should look for the best bonus to increase their small deposit a little.
Come on JJ let them live. Yes there are too many scammers, bonus whores, etc... but still out there are thousands of honest recreational players... All of us at some point were recreational when we started playing and all of us were looking for the best bonus at some point.

[jjgold]

Hey Jay I do not care what they do, I brought it up for an open discussion

Some good points made

Forums are for issues to be discussed even if some do not like the thread

[freebie]

I don't care much for bonuses, because I hate the idea of rollover.

[jay88]

FYI.. Bonuses and rollovers are the books best friends... Deposit without a bonus and you can withdraw the day after. Deposit, get a bonus and most of you will loose your money before you are done with the rollover.

[HAPPY BOY]

I got a promo from first fidelity in early august for 30% bonus. It was only good for a couple weeks then it was back to 20% (which is what they normally offer) I normally wouldnt have re-opened my account til 1st week of september. I sent my max that i could afford. I plan to be around all football season til superbowl and will have no problem with a 3x rollover. I see JJ point but if a bonus can stick an extra couple of bens in your bankroll and the book has a good sbr rating hell go 4 it!!

[raiders72001]

JJGold may be the number one gambling authority on this forum. Sometimes you have to read between the lines as he wants you to think a little so he doesn't come out with a direct answer.

I really don't want to insult anyone but bonuses are made to attract the recreational player. The book knows that they are going to get the money back and more.

These guys will keep getting offers for bonuses from the book. Sharps do not get these offers. Books may even confiscate bonuses from sharps and scalpers.

[jjgold]

Raiders god post

It would be interesting to see how much money books make with bonuses log term. Do they eventually clean player out trying to achieve rollover??

Recreational players I would say for the most part lost post up money before getting bonus

[tacomax]

JJGold may be the number one gambling authority on this forum.

By the same reasoning, Jimmy Gobble may be the best pitcher in MLB.

[marc]

Mudcat,

i think you hit the nail on the head. i can only imagine how frustrating is is for some, who spend day and night handicapping. And maybe if the are really really good, at the end of football season they're up 20 units, and if they aren't so good, they might even be down 20 units or more. Meanwhile, knuckleheads like myself who only understand math, are making far more, with much less risk simply by grabbing all the free money thats out there.

JJ,

Here is the thing, if you've already decided that you are going to gamble, you should at leats place your ebt with someone who will give you a bonus. As an example lets say pinnacle has a +115 and bodog is showing +110. And I have $500 i'm looking to lay. If i bet it at pinnacle, I'll win $575. But if i go to Bo, I'll get a 20% bonus, so i can lay $600 on +110 and win $660. SO if i go to pinn at the end of the night I'll either have 0 or 1075, while if I go to bo, Ill either have 0 or 1260 (an owe bo 2400 more in action). Seems to me, as long as i plan to conitue betting, that you are far better off going to the place that will give you the best bonus.

[why]

JJ, I think its time to admit this thread made no sense, best thing would be to admit that and lets all move on. If a book gives me a bonus and I know I will roll it over with or without the bonus I will always take the bonus and you should to, books don't need any help in making money, they do just fine. What they are saying is; we will give you this bonus and you still can't beat us! I like to beat them with and without the bonus but I will take the bonus as well, thank you!

[tacomax]

Nail hit firmly on the head there Mudcat & Marc.

I can see the benefits, you can see the benefits. The only people who can't see the benefits are those who are unable to understand statistics. And hey, let them live in their dreamworld and leave the bonuses for us. :thumbs_up

[raiders72001]

You are not going to get a 20% bonus if you are sharp. The most you will get is 10% with a 5x.

1.Start with $1000 and take the 10% bonus with a 5x.
Your bankroll is now $1100. You have to put $5000 in action to get the bonus. Say you go 50/50.

$2500 risked is won
$2500 risked is lost.

$2500 - $2272.25 = $227.50
$1100 - $227.50 = $872.50


2. Play with no bonus at -105.

$2500 - $2386.25 = $113.75
$1000 - 113.75 = $886.25

For a sharp like JJ it is better to play no bonus at -105. Once again Skippy knows more than taxoman.

[tacomax]

And now raiders72001 can't do the maths either.

Why are you quoting a 10% bonus with a 5x rollover? Is that because it fits your calculations?

What about the Bodog 20% with a 5x rollover for starters? What about the VIP bonus which is 20% with a 4x rollover?

Leave the bonuses to those who have the brains to understand them, buddy.

[raiders72001]

taxoman- If you are losing like you do they'll give you a 40% bonus. If you understand how to win you can't get the bonuses you are getting. BoDog was 20% but now it's not. BoDog deals 2 lines. WHile you get the square lines because you lose, Skippy gets the sharp lines. If you wouldn't come off as a know it all when you know nothing I wouldn't pick on you.

[jjgold]

The key is how long does it take you to roll it over??

Always have to look at ROI here

[tacomax]

raiders72001, you forgot to answer my question. Presumably since this is because the answer didn't fit into your nice mathematical model.

Prove to me that the Bodog 20% offer is a bad option according to your nice mathematical model.

By the way, the 20% bonus offer is still valid at Bodog. I understand that from the fact that there is "20% BONUS" on their site in big red letters.