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Old 02-27-2007, 05:39 AM   #71 (permalink)
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nothing we can do? well i'm going to open a bookie myself. if i can take the money players and don't pay them and nothing happens thats a dam good business.
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Old 02-27-2007, 06:21 AM   #72 (permalink)
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nothing we can do? well i'm going to open a bookie myself. if i can take the money players and don't pay them and nothing happens thats a dam good business.
i 'm of the same idea...

I want to open a new book...

After it's so easy to go away with all customers money...

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Old 02-27-2007, 02:02 PM   #73 (permalink)
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i 'm of the same idea...

I want to open a new book...

After it's so easy to go away with all customers money...
Of course its not so easy to just walk away or open up in a regulated territory where there are rules and laws in place to protect players.

However if you open up in the far East in a place where bookmaking is illegal and are constantly on the run from local government raids yet players around the world are still willing to send you tens of thousands of dollars even though they don't know the first thing about you and only send funds because you hang some juicy numbers then yes you have a good shot at it.

Contact Blackpool Town and see if they can help???
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Old 02-27-2007, 02:15 PM   #74 (permalink)
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What options do I have to attempt to recover the money they owe me? Bearing in mind its around USD$50k, I am willing to spend to get some back.
In your position I might try taking 80 cents on the dollar but I don't think they will be paying large sums again. I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:48 PM   #75 (permalink)
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In your position I might try taking 80 cents on the dollar but I don't think they will be paying large sums again. I hope I'm wrong.
Or you could try getting your money in instalments. Tell c/s that you would be prepared to accept a certain sum each month.
Anything is better than nothing.
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:00 PM   #76 (permalink)
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In your position I might try taking 80 cents on the dollar but I don't think they will be paying large sums again. I hope I'm wrong.
The problems I think I have with this Bill are:

1) Why are they more likely to pay $40k than $50k? If they aren't paying 5k/10k players or even $100-$1000 players I really can't see them paying me.

2) If someone takes over (and let's be honest, that's the only hope for any of us getting paid) I am 10k out of pocket - if they honour the old debts. If not I don't get paid anything anyway.

I don't think they would pay 15c on the dollar right now to be honest with you.

I am convinced now that they either have an automated system replying to all messages with one of ten stock responses, or one person who just uses several different names and excuses to fob you off.

Might as well just concentrate on ways to get the $50k back rather than sweating it. Good luck everyone!
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:11 PM   #77 (permalink)
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The problems I think I have with this Bill are:

1) Why are they more likely to pay $40k than $50k? If they aren't paying 5k/10k players or even $100-$1000 players I really can't see them paying me.

2) If someone takes over (and let's be honest, that's the only hope for any of us getting paid) I am 10k out of pocket - if they honour the old debts. If not I don't get paid anything anyway.

I don't think they would pay 15c on the dollar right now to be honest with you.

I am convinced now that they either have an automated system replying to all messages with one of ten stock responses, or one person who just uses several different names and excuses to fob you off.

Might as well just concentrate on ways to get the $50k back rather than sweating it. Good luck everyone!

I agree with you. It does not look good and wheeling n dealing would be a hail Mary.
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:06 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I agree with you. It does not look good and wheeling n dealing would be a hail Mary.
I've already thought this about an authomatic mail response...

But this can't be so with their chat service...

I spoke by chat with Chintya yesterday and I have been more than 20 minutes with her...

Down i report part of this chat..

fantabaldu: ispoke with yoiìu last tuesday
fantabaldu: about this with jason
fantabaldu: Jason : Your withdraw, W10701000236 and W10701000274 amount $20,000 and $15,269 is in queue and should be sent to you as soon as possible Jason : We're sorry for the late payout and inconvenience caused
gaiti andrea: his is your answer
chintya: Please hold one moment, we will check it for you.
chintya: our cashier has done the best to process the withdraw as fast as we can chintya: but i can't give you the exact date
chintya: we still process your withdraw request sir ........................................ ...............
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fantabaldu: sorry but there are all people theat are speaking about you...
fantabaldu: you are a no pay book sorry...
fantabaldu: but you are stiil open...
chintya: for sure we will pay
chintya: that is't why we still open
fantabaldu: there are thousan people that are waiting for money...
fantabaldu: for sure ?
chintya: yes for sure
fantabaldu: yes but when sorry?
fantabaldu: yes but when sorry?
fantabaldu: people are afraid and tired about this situyation...
fantabaldu: you have to understand this
fantabaldu: don't you have a date for the mone y?
fantabaldu: Have you other news Chintya ?
chintya: i still can't predict when your withdraw will be settled ........................................ .
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:10 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Here i post the last mail that they sent me after that ispoke by chat with Chintya

Hi ......,

Thank you for your message.
We understand your worry, anger and frustation regarding this situation but please be assured that we will send your withdraw.

We have forwarded your message as well therefore your withdraw should be sent as soon as possible
In the meantime should you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us.
Best Regards,
Jason Huang
Customer Services Department

But till now after two monts absolutly no money it' arrived.......
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:32 PM   #80 (permalink)
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cant we make this guys go to court?
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:39 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I believe there are a lot of English residents who are in our situation. PointSports Ltd should be located at Huslemere, Surrey. If I were English and owed money from Pointbet (which I am, $7k) I would catch the first train and go directly there to try and get a better picture of the situation. Unfortunately though, being Maltese its rather difficult due to the distance, knowing that the chances of talking to someone there about this matter are nearly zero.

What do you say?


btw, have gone live chat with them. As soon as I mentioned the word slowpay they hung up.
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:17 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Any chance somebody like the asian owner of Mansion steps in with a bailout?

They have always wanted to attract the big soccer whales to their exchange, i would imagine Pointbet has quite a few of these types of punter. It might be an opportunity for them to get the volume moving on their exchange.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:06 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Any chance somebody like the asian owner of Mansion steps in with a bailout?

They have always wanted to attract the big soccer whales to their exchange, i would imagine Pointbet has quite a few of these types of punter. It might be an opportunity for them to get the volume moving on their exchange.
No chance. Mansion has already started on an asia site.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:30 PM   #84 (permalink)
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No chance. Mansion has already started on an asia site.
So what?
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:05 PM   #85 (permalink)
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can t we just put this guys in court? thanks
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Old 03-02-2007, 11:06 PM   #86 (permalink)
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The Surrey address is likely a mail drop, I doubt you find anything except a confused receptionist if you turn up.

As for taking them to court (in the UK at least), Gambling debts aren't enforceable, and I doubt that the company has any assets to seize in the UK. Directors are not personally culpable for the company if it's a PLC.
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:25 AM   #87 (permalink)
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It isnt a PLC. Directors may be responsible (but he lives in Indonesia). Gambling debts arent enforcable but if your balance is greater than your deposited sum you can recover your deposited sum. If your balance is less than your deposited sum you can recover the entire amount. This wouldnt be a gambling debt.