[moneyline]

God is your legs. And arms. And soul. You choose not to believe in Him. He still believes in you.

People say they choose not to believe in God, others say they do ... believe me when I say you are close to unique with the argument "I don't have a choice."

Why don't we post the ? here to see how many people think they have a choice to believe or not to believe OR how many people believe they don't have a choice in the first place?

You'll find you're pretty close to alone when it comes to your excuse for not accepting God ...

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

God is your legs.

Tell it to the legless man and then see if he walks.

People say they choose not to believe in God, others say they do ... believe me when I say you are close to unique with the argument "I don't have a choice."

Why don't we post the ? here to see how many people think they have a choice to believe or not to believe OR how many people believe they don't have a choice in the first place?

You'll find you're pretty close to alone when it comes to your excuse for not accepting God ...

There are 3 choices, if you will:

A) Believe that God exists
B) Believe that God doesn't exist
C) Have no opinion/belief (not literally a choice)

Any of the 2 first answers make you a believer. Most non-Christians will take C. I'm surprised this is news to you. Maybe you've been talking to 5 year old kids during your 38 years, I don't know.

[moneyline]

You never heard the phrase "Choosing not to choose" ... I don't want to belittle 5 year olds by saying that they bought the fact you didn't make a choice and, therefore, have no accountability for that lack of a choice. They are above that, I think ...

I like the way you think, though ...

1) Believe in God = believing in Santa
2) Don't believe in God = opening yourself up to the consequences of that choice
3) Have no opinion/belief = being the equivalent of an inanimate object, like a rock for example

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

You never heard the phrase "Choosing not to choose"

You never saw a legless man that chose not to walk?

1) Believe in God = believing in Santa

There is no reason to believe in both, so in a sense it doesn't really matter.

2) Don't believe in God = opening yourself up to the consequences of that choice

Not true. There is no reason to believe in inexistence of God. Either A or B has no basis for belief. Same as when handicapping and all your reasons favoring team A over team B have no real meaning on the outcome of the bet. You just get lucky or unlucky.

3) Have no opinion/belief = being the equivalent of an inanimate object, like a rock for example

OK, so the legless person is an inanimate object, like a rock. Solid logic once again.

Do you always have an opinion? If not, then you're a rock when you don't have an opinion?

I don't know how much more simpler it can be put into your head so you understand. Christians, for some (apparent) reason, have always being dumber than the average public.

[moneyline]

Actually, legless people can walk. They have a choice to do so, Arnold, not to bring it up so late in the conversation. They can choose to get prosthetics. It is the 21st century, after all.

Hiding behind not having an opinion and then hoping your lack of a choice won't have consequences puts you in the same category as an ostrich. If he sees the lion, choose not to run and chooses not to fight, but instead puts his head in the sand and hopes that is enough, does it work out for him?

Your head is in the sand. You hope it works out.

(It won't)

... and name calling, once again the last resort for those who are not faring too well in a debate, is beneath you, Arnold ... instead of placing a group's intelligence into question, why don't you question why your intelligence prohibits you from making a choice ...

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Actually, legless people can walk. They have a choice to do so, Arnold, not to bring it up so late in the conversation. They can choose to get prosthetics. It is the 21st century, after all.

Ah, OK. You've been to 70 different countries and haven't realized yet, that this technology is not affordable to 3rd world countries? I'm beginning to doubt that you've being even to Canada. And even the rich, they haven't lived in the 21st century always. Maybe in the future we'll have such technology that will be able to tell us whether or not there is a God. Right now we can't answer this question.

Hiding behind not having an opinion and then hoping your lack of a choice won't have consequences puts you in the same category as an ostrich. If he sees the lion, choose not to run and chooses not to fight, but instead puts his head in the sand and hopes that is enough, does it work out for him?

Your head is in the sand. You hope it works out.

(It won't)

It's a legless ostrich. He can't run. Lets kill the easy prey!

... and name calling, once again the last resort for those who are not faring too well in a debate, is beneath you, Arnold ... instead of placing a group's intelligence into question, why don't you question why your intelligence prohibits you from making a choice ...

Ah, maybe because it's impossible to prove or disprove God? Again, you show how intelligent Christians are, that think their faith can prove something. Extremely convincing.

[moneyline]

I guess you are legless (in the intellectual sense) Arnold. Seems to be what you are saying. I'll stop taking advantage of someone as helpless as you make yourself out to be. It just wouldn't be right. If you don't have the mental capacity to make a choice when it comes to the existence of God, I believe He will take that into consideration ...

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

I guess you are legless (in the intellectual sense) Arnold.

We all are. You're a fool if you think you can prove God solely based on your faith in him. I can prove Santa this way, if you like. Even the pink elephants on the dark side of the moon will be proven if someone has faith in them. It's so easy. I can even prove that you're gay, if only I believe you are gay. Huh, why do they waste so much time in court? Just blindly believe that the guy is guilty and put him in the chair!

Seems to be what you are saying. I'll stop taking advantage of someone as helpless as you make yourself out to be. It just wouldn't be right. If you don't have the mental capacity to make a choice when it comes to the existence of God, I believe He will take that into consideration ...

Right, just because you believe, he certainly will. But finally you understood at least something.

[donjuan]

Let me guess how this thread has gone since I really don't feel like reading 6 pages of garbage:

Logical people: Organized religion is a bunch of garbage.

Illogical people: OMG ur going to hellz if you don't believe!!!

[moneyline]

The proof will be upon death. Either all will go blank (roll final credits) or I'll be a pretty happy guy and you will not ...

Or if you are right ... wait, you can't be right ... you never made a choice ...

[donjuan]

Ah, the scare tactic. Hilarious.

[moneyline]

What do you believe in, Juan? Besides the horror of small sample sizes, of course.

[durito]

Originally Posted by moneyline

The proof will be upon death. Either all will go blank (roll final credits) or I'll be a pretty happy guy and you will not ...

Or if you are right ... wait, you can't be right ... you never made a choice ...

why don't you try it and find out

[moneyline]

We all will soon enough, doritos ...

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by donjuan

Let me guess how this thread has gone since I really don't feel like reading 6 pages of garbage:

Logical people: Organized religion is a bunch of garbage.

Illogical people: OMG ur going to hellz if you don't believe!!!

Wow! You're right on the money! That's exactly how this thread went. Although, the logical people did try and still try to explain it to the illogical people how to read the alphabet and count 2+2...patiently.