[RageWizard]

Originally Posted by mathdotcom

Whether there is a God or not is not the question. Noone can answer that. Don't debate that point with me please. Just look at how religion causes more harm than good.

- Young kids getting married because they are horny as hell, and then divorce a couple years later because they didnt shack up first to see if they were compatible.
- Anti-gambling legislation
- Anti-gambling legislation
- Anti-gambling legislation

You left out a bunch of stuff like:

If we let fags marry it will be like the plague and soon everyone will be gay.

Millions of people killed around the world since the begining of the imaginary friends industry got started just because they weren't of the same belief as some of the tyrants.

Church goers giving me the going to hell stare on sunday just because I take a 40 oz with me to get the paper at he gas station in the morning.

Religous "witness" Freaks showing up at the house and walking around back just as I'm getting ready to nut in the hot tub with the old lady. Then hanging out after I tell them to eff off just because they want a donation to their cause.

The effing nuns that whacked the hell out of me when I was in grade school for 9 years because they couldn't control my thoughts.

How about all the priests that have alter boy boyfriends who aren't even 13 years of age.

A catholic chruch that thinks that birth control for Affricans to help stop the spread of aids is wrong.

The people who are affraid to have an abortion because every life is precious, then dump the kid in the dumpster at Wendy's like a half eaten frosty.

[swede96]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Hell is living without the presence of God. Right now, whatever your belief system, God is all around you. In hell, He won't be. And if the word of God is to believed, you'll notice the difference.

Put your faith in men and you will eventually ALWAYS be let down.

Put your faith in God and you will ultimately never be.

Oh really? So people who believe in God never feel abandoned? They never feel, in times of tragedy, that he has let them down?

Put your faith in science and ... well, you have a faction yelling about global warming, another yelling about global cooling and no consensus anywhere because (here's the tricky part) they are all mere mortals, flawed in every way just like everyone around them ...

Flawed mortals wrote the bible. How do you know which parts are the word of God and which parts were added by mortals...or, for that matter, omitted?

And Swede, not for nothing, but everyone claims to have the best man/woman on the planet when they are dating them and then after the break-up they find another best man/woman on the planet ... and the beat goes on ...

Obviously, your belief in God and the fact that you seem to think you'll be going to heaven hasn't stopped you from being bitter and nasty. Tell me, if everything we do here on earth is leading up to an afterlife and you'll be rewarded just for accepting God. Why live at all? Why not go on a murder spree? Why not be a complete and utter dick to everyone around you? As long as you believe, you're still going to heaven, right? I mean, child rapists go into jail and "find Jesus"....they deserve a spot in heaven over me? If that is truly the case....if that is how God decides who burns in hell and who lives on in Heaven, then **** him. He doesn't deserve my praise and worship.

[swede96]

Originally Posted by RageWizard

You left out a bunch of stuff like:

If we let fags marry it will be like the plague and soon everyone will be gay.

Millions of people killed around the world since the begining of the imaginary friends industry got started just because they weren't of the same belief as some of the tyrants.

Church goers giving me the going to hell stare on sunday just because I take a 40 oz with me to get the paper at he gas station in the morning.

Religous "witness" Freaks showing up at the house and walking around back just as I'm getting ready to nut in the hot tub with the old lady. Then hanging out after I tell them to eff off just because they want a donation to their cause.

The effing nuns that whacked the hell out of me when I was in grade school for 9 years because they couldn't control my thoughts.

How about all the priests that have alter boy boyfriends who aren't even 13 years of age.

A catholic chruch that thinks that birth control for Affricans to help stop the spread of aids is wrong.

The people who are affraid to have an abortion because every life is precious, then dump the kid in the dumpster at Wendy's like a half eaten frosty.

Don't forget when they used to sell "indulgences" so that all the rich folk could pay their way into heaven.

Oh, and the churches that PROMOTE violence against gays.

But every life is precious...as long as you're not gay and you believe in Jesus.

How about when they send around a collection plate and all of a sudden the Priests office has brand new carpet!

[mathdotcom]

I knew a homo who wasn't very bright but he said one smart thing:

"I don't get why the Christians hate us queers so much... their God made me the way I am"

[moneyline]

Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random. I love it how people criticize God and His message by criticizing the flaws of other people. The message is perfect. People are not. Pretty simple, really.

Swede, yes, people who believe in God can feel let down and abandoned, but we know we are not. Once you've accepted the Lord, He never leaves you and despite your feelings, the story of Footprints explains it much better than I ever could. And with eternal salvation waiting after this blink-of-an-eye life ends, even the worst of times here on earth are tolerable.

One more thing. You find my comment about the best man/woman in the world to be bitter and nasty? Actually, it is realistic. You've dated people before this perfect guy who you thought were perfect. Odds say (we are on a gambling website, after all) you will date several more of the best men in the world after you break up with this one (or he breaks up with you) ... just a statistical fact for most. Don't get upset about it -- nothing personal.

(the beauty of free will is allowing people like you to say God doesn't deserve your worship if He doesn't do things the way you think they should be done -- that is a true tribute to His omniscient greatness)

[mathdotcom]

"Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random."

Well, it may be unlikely, but given that the Universe has existed for more than 5000 years (you religious morons...), it was bound to happen. Just because something's random it can't happen?

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Put your faith in science and ... well, you have a faction yelling about global warming, another yelling about global cooling and no consensus anywhere because (here's the tricky part) they are all mere mortals, flawed in every way just like everyone around them ...

I just thought I'd interject into the pissing match I guess I started to say HELL NO to the above caption.

You show me a true scientist that does not believe in global warming and I guarantee you I can find the money trail from that "scientist"s bank account to Big Oil. True scientists are unanimous on this phenomenon. The other "scientists" appear on Fox "News" a lot.

OK, now go on fighting amongst yourselves.

[mathdotcom]

Even if global warming is man made, its less costly to deal with its effects than preventing it altogether. Been snowing here for the past phuckin' week. Bring it on baby.

[Stumpage]

I'm thinking Carl Everett is behind this thread.....Or at the very least hiding in it somewhere.....

[swede96]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random. I love it how people criticize God and His message by criticizing the flaws of other people. The message is perfect. People are not. Pretty simple, really.

But I thought you didn't have to do good things to go to heaven. Huh...so God gives us this life to do good things, but it's okay to snub Him and not do good things as long as you believe in him? But it's not okay for us to chose to question the world and creation and search for answers within ourselves? Even if we live good lives? Most of my values and morals correspond pretty well with those presented in the bible, I just happened to find them within myself instead of in there.

Swede, yes, people who believe in God can feel let down and abandoned, but we know we are not. Once you've accepted the Lord, He never leaves you and despite your feelings, the story of Footprints explains it much better than I ever could. And with eternal salvation waiting after this blink-of-an-eye life ends, even the worst of times here on earth are tolerable.

I never bought that poem. Sorry, if God is going to carry you while you're down...why bring you down at all?

One more thing. You find my comment about the best man/woman in the world to be bitter and nasty? Actually, it is realistic. You've dated people before this perfect guy who you thought were perfect. Odds say (we are on a gambling website, after all) you will date several more of the best men in the world after you break up with this one (or he breaks up with you) ... just a statistical fact for most. Don't get upset about it -- nothing personal

Ha! From the time you started that thread about me, you made everything personal. If God is my creator, he made my eye like that. How dare you question His creation? He doesn't make mistakes, right?

For your information, no, I have never dated anyone that I considered perfect until now. Of course, by "perfect", I mean "perfect for me". You have all this faith in God, but none in His children. How very sad for you. Funny how everything is God and faith when it suits you, but you switch right to statistics when you need to. What are the statistics on Jesus sightings? How about the statistics on people who believe vs. people who don't belive commiting crimes, getting cancer, going to heaven, etc.?

(the beauty of free will is allowing people like you to say God doesn't deserve your worship if He doesn't do things the way you think they should be done -- that is a true tribute to His omniscient greatness)

Right...so He gave me this free will...so how can He punish me for it? Sorry, I have no faith in dictators, and that's exactly what you're painting Him as.

[moneyline]

How can He punish you for using your free will? Simple. He is not punishing you. He is giving you a choice. And with every choice comes consequences. I'm sorry if you'd like to believe that, no matter what choice you make, you'll be right. It doesn't work that way, Swede ... not on this earth and certainly not in the Bible ...

Your boyfriend is perfect for you. And if things don't work out, you will eventually find another man who is perfect for you. As so many before you have done.

As for Footprints, God doesn't bring you down. The world was perfect before original sin. God gave us free will. We decided to use it to sin from the very beginning. It is man's sin that brings us down. God, through His Son Jesus, lifts us back up again if we accept Him into our heart.

Oh, and you keep getting confused on one point over and over again. I do not have to do good things to earn heaven, but I do good things because I love God and know that is what He would want me to do. It is not an earning system, but a result of believing in Him.

Only an egoist at the highest level believes they can earn salvation. Or earn anything on their own, for that matter. Remember, I told you all people will eventuallty let you down. That includes you letting yourself down because of your human weakness.

God is above all that. He understands that. And if you accept Him, He has given you a way to achieve salvation despite yourself.

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Hell is living without the presence of God. Right now, whatever your belief system, God is all around you. In hell, He won't be. And if the word of God is to believed, you'll notice the difference.

Hell is when you're slowly dying from a desease. Hell is when you're addicted to drugs and ruin your life. Hell is when you have no peace at home. And so on. You notice the difference when you stay pure and good.

Put your faith in men and you will eventually ALWAYS be let down.

Completely false. You are very narrow-minded, just like all the Christians I've met.

Put your faith in God and you will ultimately never be.

I always was. Again, your statements are blind and false.

Put your faith in science and ... well, you have a faction yelling about global warming, another yelling about global cooling and no consensus anywhere because (here's the tricky part) they are all mere mortals, flawed in every way just like everyone around them ...

Aha, like Christians ever have a single opinion regarding their own faith.

Originally Posted by moneyline

How can He punish you for using your free will? Simple. He is not punishing you. He is giving you a choice.

What choice? Choose God or go to hell? Is it even a choice?

Oh, and you keep getting confused on one point over and over again. I do not have to do good things to earn heaven, but I do good things because I love God and know that is what He would want me to do. It is not an earning system, but a result of believing in Him.

I'd like to see how much love you'll have left for your God once you find out that there is no heaven or hell, and that it's all just a big prank on foolish Christians like you. You do good things, because without them your faith isn't worth anything even in the biblical context. Don't lie, please. Whichever way you twist the real meaning of things, doesn't in effect change reality of what you are and what you do. Christians are hypocrites and you're just another example of that.

[RageWizard]

So please somebody from the christian faith correct me if I'm wrong here but can't I go through life being a complete asshole and even kill people will eating their flesh and sodomize their kids repeatedly while watching Springer, then right before I go down for the dirt nap repent and be forgiven for all the shit that I did while alive? That would qualify me for the elevator to heaven right?