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Old 10-06-2006, 09:30 PM   #1
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Default Estimated NFL ATS and Over/Under Push Frequencies

For updated data please see my Half-Point Calculator.

Spread  N Std. Err. Freq.
0 699 0.00% 0.00%
1 2,213 0.33% 2.44%
2 2,703 0.27% 2.07%
3 2,954 0.54% 9.38%
4 3,019 0.32% 3.28%
5 3,207 0.22% 1.59%
6 2,160 0.39% 3.38%
7 1,918 0.51% 5.16%
8 1,845 0.33% 2.06%
9 1,447 0.27% 1.04%
10 917 0.71% 4.80%
11 793 0.54% 2.40%
12 610 0.33% 0.66%
13 397 0.66% 1.76%
14 311 1.18% 4.50%
15 258 0.77% 1.55%
16 146 1.35% 2.74%
17 84 2.58% 5.95%
18 57 1.74% 1.75%


Methodology:
  • All NFL regular season final scores and closing points spreads (from Covers) from the 1985/86 season through the 2007/08 season were analyzed (5,647 games in total) for various favorite margins of victory.
  • The push frequency for a given point spread was determined by the percentage of games with a closing spread within 2 points of the spread in question ending with a favorite margin of victory equal to that spread. For example, the push frequency of a spread of 3 was determined from all games with a closing spread between 1 and 5.
  • This is based on Stanford Wong's methodology as described in Sharp Sports Betting.


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That is interesting. Thank you!
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Old 10-07-2006, 12:55 AM   #3
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do you have the nubers for college?
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Not suprisingly, the top percentages of pushes come from lines of 3, 7 or some combination of the two. So the only profitable 1/2 pt middle using dime lines come from a push of 3 (ie. 3 & 2.5 or 3 & 3.5).

I'd also like to see the numbers for college games since the lines seem to be less consistent from book to book and also more volatile.
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See the College Football forum.
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Interesting, I always felt 14 pushed more than most people thought, a little surprising how many games have landed right on 17
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a little surprising how many games have landed right on 17
Just remember tha the sample size for 17-spread games is only 46.
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Can you put up the percentages of line spreads, and percentages of ending game point spreads too?

I get a feeling the numbers would be a lot more 3 and 7 centered for ending point spreads when taking into account the entire sample, rather than just the ones that pushed.
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Thanks for posting this Ganch.
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Can you put up the percentages of line spreads, and percentages of ending game point spreads too?

I get a feeling the numbers would be a lot more 3 and 7 centered for ending point spreads when taking into account the entire sample, rather than just the ones that pushed.
I'm not sure I'm understanding you -- are you just looking for the distribution of various margins of victory?
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I'm not sure I'm understanding you -- are you just looking for the distribution of various margins of victory?
Yea, exactly. Sorry, I couldn't come up with the right terminology. But what I'm interested in seeing is the entire sample's distribution to the 3 and 7 multiples.
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Yea, exactly. Sorry, I couldn't come up with the right terminology. But what I'm interested in seeing is the entire sample's distribution to the 3 and 7 multiples.
Code:
|MOV|	Games	%
0	8	0.142%
1	232	4.108%
2	204	3.613%
3	878	15.548%
4	303	5.366%
5	177	3.134%
6	315	5.578%
7	478	8.465%
8	152	2.692%
9	99	1.753%
10	336	5.950%
11	187	3.311%
12	90	1.594%
13	176	3.117%
14	280	4.958%
15	94	1.665%
16	114	2.019%
17	222	3.931%
18	116	2.054%
19	70	1.240%
20	140	2.479%
21	145	2.568%
22	53	0.939%
23	64	1.133%
24	116	2.054%
25	56	0.992%
26	35	0.620%
27	94	1.665%
28	86	1.523%
29	18	0.319%
30	29	0.514%
31	65	1.151%
32	30	0.531%
33	14	0.248%
34	38	0.673%
35	32	0.567%
36	9	0.159%
37	14	0.248%
38	26	0.460%
39	6	0.106%
40	2	0.035%
41	12	0.213%
42	11	0.195%
43	3	0.053%
44	3	0.053%
45	4	0.071%
46	3	0.053%
48	3	0.053%
49	2	0.035%
51	1	0.018%
54	1	0.018%
55	1	0.018%
Total	5647	100.000%
1985 - 2007 seasons, not including playoff games.
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Ganchrow-

The push frequencies change depending on the spread and total. I.E. a "3" will land about 10% of the time if the home team is a 3-point favorite; but if it is a 14 point favorite, it drops to under 7%.

do you have push charts for only games within 1 point of the spread?
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do you have push charts for only games within 1 point of the spread?
As you and I just discussed, the above table corresponds to games within 2 points of the given spread.
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Thanks for posting, I was looking for updated info recently.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:33 PM   #16
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Default Estimated NFL Over/Under Push Frequencies

For updated data please see my Half-Point Calculator.

Total  N Std. Err. Freq.
29 22 0.00% 0.00%
30 64 3.03% 6.25%
31 145 0.97% 1.38%
32 334 0.52% 0.90%
33 565 0.80% 3.72%
34 860 0.57% 2.91%
35 1,327 0.37% 1.88%
36 1,766 0.33% 1.93%
37 1,921 0.48% 4.58%
38 2,113 0.35% 2.70%
39 2,190 0.26% 1.51%
40 2,046 0.33% 2.35%
41 1,978 0.43% 3.89%
42 1,957 0.27% 1.43%
43 1,814 0.38% 2.65%
44 1,532 0.45% 3.13%
45 1,312 0.51% 3.58%
46 1,086 0.42% 1.93%
47 757 0.73% 4.23%
48 548 0.67% 2.55%
49 366 0.61% 1.37%
50 223 1.25% 3.59%
51 137 1.44% 2.92%


Methodology:
  • All NFL regular season final scores and closing points spreads (data from Covers) from the 1985/86 season through the 2007/08 season were analyzed (5,647 games in total) for the frequncy of various totals.
  • The push frequency for a given over/under was determined by the percentage of games with a closing over/under within 2 points of the over/under in question ending with a total equal to that over/unders. For example, the push frequency of an over/under of 42 was determined from all games with a closing over/under between 40 and 44.
  • This is based on Stanford Wong's methodology as described in Sharp Sports Betting.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:01 PM   #17
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Default NFL Spread/ML Equivalency Charts

At Even Odds:
Spread Prob. ML
0 EV 50.00% ±100.0
0½ EV 50.05% ±100.2
1 EV 51.08% ±104.4
1½ EV 52.08% ±108.7
2 EV 53.02% ±112.9
2½ EV 53.86% ±116.7
3 EV 58.78% ±142.6
3½ EV 62.22% ±164.7
4 EV 63.84% ±176.5
4½ EV 64.75% ±183.7
5 EV 65.94% ±193.6
5½ EV 66.56% ±199.0
6 EV 68.53% ±217.8
6½ EV 69.44% ±227.2
7 EV 73.20% ±273.1
7½ EV 74.58% ±293.3
8 EV 75.86% ±314.3
8½ EV 76.27% ±321.4
9 EV 77.05% ±335.7
9½ EV 77.28% ±340.1
10 EV 80.64% ±416.6
10½ EV 81.45% ±439.0
11 EV 83.28% ±498.2
11½ EV 83.65% ±511.7
12 EV 84.64% ±551.1
12½ EV 84.82% ±558.8
13 EV 86.83% ±659.1
13½ EV 87.13% ±677.1
14 EV 90.34% ±934.9
14½ EV 90.68% ±972.9
15 EV 91.86% ±1128.0
15½ EV 91.96% ±1144.0
16 EV 93.63% ±1468.9
16½ EV 93.74% ±1497.3
17 EV 96.61% ±2850.2
17½ EV 96.71% ±2940.5
At -110:
Spread Prob. Fave ML Dog ML
PK -110 50.00% -110.0 -110.0
0½ -110 50.05% -110.2 -109.8
1 -110 51.08% -115.1 -105.1
1½ -110 52.08% -120.1 -100.8
2 -110 53.02% -125.0 +103.2
2½ -110 53.86% -129.5 +106.9
3 -110 58.78% -160.2 +131.5
3½ -110 62.22% -187.2 +152.7
4 -110 63.84% -201.9 +163.9
4½ -110 64.75% -210.9 +170.8
5 -110 65.94% -223.4 +180.3
5½ -110 66.56% -230.3 +185.4
6 -110 68.53% -254.5 +203.3
6½ -110 69.44% -266.9 +212.3
7 -110 73.20% -311.0 +260.9
7½ -110 74.58% -357.2 +275.4
8 -110 75.86% -387.2 +295.4
8½ -110 76.27% -397.5 +302.2
9 -110 77.05% -418.5 +315.9
9½ -110 77.28% -425.2 +320.1
10 -110 80.64% -544.4 +393.1
10½ -110 81.45% -581.5 +414.5
11 -110 83.28% -684.2 +471.0
11½ -110 83.65% -708.7 +483.9
12 -110 84.64% -782.8 +521.5
12½ -110 84.82% -797.7 +528.9
13 -110 86.83% -1006.4 +624.6
13½ -110 87.13% -1046.9 +641.8
14 -110 90.34% -1765.2 +887.8
14½ -110 90.68% -1899.1 +924.2
15 -110 91.86% -2553.3 +1072.2
15½ -110 91.96% -2632.6 +1087.4
16 -110 93.63% -5121.0 +1397.6
16½ -110 93.74% -5466.1 +1424.7
17 -110 96.61%
17½ -110 96.71%
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this stuff is impressive. glad i joined the site.
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Thank you for posting this. Excellent information.
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The push frequency for a given point spread was determined by the percentage of games with a closing spread within 2 points of the spread in question ending with a favorite margin of victory equal to that spread. For example, the push frequency of a spread of 3 was determined from all games with a closing spread between 1 and 5.
why??

wHY NOT JUST SAY if the line is 3, 88 out of 860 times the fav wins by 3pts...10.23%...wouldnt this be more accurate??
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why??

wHY NOT JUST SAY if the line is 3, 88 out of 860 times the fav wins by 3pts...10.23%...wouldnt this be more accurate??
No. Because sample sizes are so small, we look at a larger radius in order to effectively increase the data set. This is a standard technique for this sort of analysis.

See Wong, Chapters 13-14.
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Old 09-09-2007, 05:13 PM   #22
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WOW didn't know that info. Thank you for posting this. Excellent information
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Agreed.thanx for the info and the sleepless nights trying to figure out what to do with it
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great stuff granchow, anyone know how to determine what the value of each point is from this info?
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great stuff granchow, anyone know how to determine what the value of each point is from this info?
Thanks.

You might want to check out my Half-Point Calculator.
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Outstanding info. Thanx!
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That 17 frequency is very interesting considering the Pats game. Ordinarily I wouldn't recommend teasers at such a high number...maybe it is worth it
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The 17 figure of 8.70% is for N=46. That's a very sample size, corresponding to a standard error of about 4.20%. I'd personally not embark on major changes in my own strategy based on so small a dataset.

The updated data in my Half-Point Calculator gives a figure of 4.55% (with a standard error of 2.60%), a much more realistic figure.
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Monday Night Football: Baltimore and the under
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Thanks for the info...Good Luck!
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Play money line for Jacksonville!!!!!!! They will win easily!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for the post!

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Very interesting
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Others have already said this but never-the-less, thank you for posting this information and looking forward to seeing it updated week-by-week.
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Nice job.. how about college info... thanks
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