[Doc JS]

Entertaining offers from the CFL or UFL???

Doc

[Doc JS]

Yeah right CFL or UFL now thats funny... its a win/win for crabtree he gets the money hes asking for or he re-enters the NFL draft next year and gets the money he wants.

You're wrong and not just by a little bit either...

The Niners aren't going to pay him more than his slot. They just aren't. He's missed all of training camp. History tells us that rookies who miss this much time do not make a significant contribution as a rookie. So, the Niners have no reason to pay him more than his slot.

And he certainly won't improve his position by not playing this year. It is absolutely no guarentee that he'll be the first WR taken in the draft next year. It's no guarentee he'll improve where he got drafted (at #10). (See Matt Leinart who was guarenteed to go number one in the draft but went back to USC instead and fell to the Cardinals at 10 or 11)

The Niners own his rights. He won't be allowed to go to the combine. And he's already proven himself to be a diva before he's played a down in the NFL. And you really think he's improving his position for next year with this ploy?

Doc

[Doc JS]

we'll see if im wrong when he signs or is re-drafted... the pressure is on the 49ers not crabtree he'll be playing in the NFL and he'll get the money he wants somewhere close to Heyward- bay $$$ . CFL or UFL your the one who is wrong buddy he wont play one down on either of these leagues.

If he doesn't sign with the Niners...those are his only options till next year, unless you include flipping burgers at MickyD's!! LOL

Doc

[diogee]

Don't really think SF is going to cave in and pay the guarantee he wants...fact of the matter is he went #10 no matter where he felt he should have went. He's already far behind from missing valuable training camp/pre-season time and it is week 1 with him still out of the game. He wants more money but in reality he is costing himself money. The longer he sits out the less he will end up with...sitting out the whole season loses a whole season worth of salary and puts him a year further away from getting the possible "money contract" when free agency would come around. On top of that I can't see him going top 10 after this shit...no way his position improves. So lose a year worth of time and probably get less next year=smart move. And to think I loved it when we drafted him...f*ck.

[Doc JS]

Don't really think SF is going to cave in and pay the guarantee he wants...fact of the matter is he went #10 no matter where he felt he should have went. He's already far behind from missing valuable training camp/pre-season time and it is week 1 with him still out of the game. He wants more money but in reality he is costing himself money. The longer he sits out the less he will end up with...sitting out the whole season loses a whole season worth of salary and puts him a year further away from getting the possible "money contract" when free agency would come around. On top of that I can't see him going top 10 after this shit...no way his position improves. So lose a year worth of time and probably get less next year=smart move. And to think I loved it when we drafted him...f*ck.

Words of Wisdom!

D, You're 100% correct !!!

Doc

[MickChunky]

nah he'll get paid even more next year when he re-enters the draft.

after being out of football for more than a year?

I'm hoping you're being sarcastic

[Ralphie1412]

I really liked this kid at texas tech, but man oh man. I would love to punch that kid in the face. Has he not dreamed of playing on sundays his whole life? How can you sit the season out over some money? Its so ****ing embarrassing. Andre Smith is another dumb piece of shit.

[spongerat]

i hope he doesn't play at all

[DwightShrute]

hopefully looking for a new agent

[Ralphie1412]

As much as I would like to watch him play football, I agree, I hope he ****ed this up so bad that he doesnt get to play again. If he held out this year who is to say he wont hold out next year. Hes a ****ing loser with a dumbass agent.

[exstatman]

As to the question asked, there is no doubt his agent has him convinced he's doing the right thing. Of course, he and his agent are in a tiny minority.

[Killer_Demo]

i hope he doesn't play at all

x2...

[DeeWizzle]

Probably chillin with Maurice Clarret talking about how brilliant his plan is.

[ZBOIZ]

digging in his drawers

[jjgold]

They can sure use him, SF possibly a playoff team with him.

[rossta4i]

well guessed he signed a deal. 6 years 20 million 16 is guaranteed. But, still he's a punk in my book.

[Jshap1515]

He screwed himself by this whole ordeal. Now everyone thinks hes a diva as the likes of Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens.

[Doc JS]

OH really hows that crow taste Doc 1st and ten on espn just said 6 year deal 18 million guaranteed more than than the 5th pick Bj raji. Guess i wasnt so wrong by more than a lil bit huh

ummm...let's hold off on that crow for right now...and let's sort this out...

First, Ragi wasn't drafted 5th as you have him in your post. He was drafted 9th. And it looks like Crabtree got just about the same amount of guarenteed money as Raji. Now, given that Crabtree is a WR and Raji is a DT, that's not entirely without precedent. (See Curry at #4 getting more guarenteed money than #3 or #2).

Now, did Crabtree get a little more money (6 years - 18M guarenteed) than the Niners were initally offered (5 years - 16M guarenteed)? Yeah, it looks like maybe he did. And reasonable people can disagree whether or not the Niners or Crabtree won this contract negotiation. (I would argue that neither side won. But that's another discussion for another day)...

But one thing I think we can absolutely agree on is that Crabtree DID NOT get Darrius Heyward-Bey money (23.5M guarenteed) which is what Crabtree said he wanted and wouldn't sign for less.

Doc


Signing status of 2009 NFL Draft first-round picks
NFL.com


Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract
1. Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed)
2. Jason Smith OT St. Louis Signed 5 years, $61.775 million ($33M guaranteed)
3. Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Signed 5 years, $57 million ($31M guaranteed)
4. Aaron Curry LB Seattle Signed 6 years, $60 million ($34M guaranteed)
5. Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed)
6. Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Signed 4-years, $26 million ($21M guaranteed)
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Signed 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed)
8. Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Signed 5 years, $35.4 million ($19.2M guaranteed)
9. B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Signed 5 years, $28.5 million ($18M guaranteed)
10. Michael Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned
11. Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Signed 5 years, $25 million ($15M guaranteed)
12. Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Signed 5 years, $23 million ($13M guaranteed)
13. Brian Orakpo DE Washington Signed 5 years, $20 million ($12.1M guaranteed)
14. Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Signed 5 years, up to $19 million ($11M guaranteed)
15. Brian Cushing LB Houston Signed 5 years, $18 million ($10.435M guaranteed)
16. Larry English DE San Diego Signed 5 years, $17.8 million ($9.9M guaranteed)
17. Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Signed 5 years, $36 million (10.25M guaranteed)
18. Robert Ayers LB Denver Signed 5 years, $15.5 million ($9.7M guaranteed)
19. Jeremy Maclin WR Philadelphia Signed 5 years, $15.5 million ($9.5M guaranteed)
20. Brandon Pettigrew TE Detroit Signed 5 years, $14.6 million ($9.4M guaranteed)
21. Alex Mack C Cleveland Signed 5 years, $15 million ($8.3M guaranteed)
22. Percy Harvin WR Minnesota Signed 5 years, $14.25 million ($8.4M guaranteed)
23. Michael Oher OT Baltimore Signed 5 years, $13 million ($7.82M guaranteed)
24. Peria Jerry DT Atlanta Signed 5 years, $13.25 million ($7.55M guaranteed)
25. Vontae Davis CB Miami Signed 5 years, $13.3 million ($7.35M guaranteed)
26. Clay Matthews LB Green Bay Signed 5 years, $13.2 million ($7.1M guaranteed)
27. Donald Brown RB Indianapolis Signed 5 years, $12.835 million ($6.845M guaranteed)
28. Eric Wood C Buffalo Signed 5 years, $13 million ($6.5M guaranteed)
29. Hakeem Nicks WR N.Y. Giants Signed 5 years, $12.54 million ($6M guaranteed)
30. Kenny Britt WR Tennessee Signed 5 years, $12.25 million ($6.5M guaranteed)
31. Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Arizona Signed 5 years, $11.8 million ($6.345M guaranteed)
32. Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Pittsburgh Signed 5 years, $11.3 million ($6.1M guaranteed)

[diogee]

Wouldn't take 16 million guaranteed over 5 years (3.2 per) but agrees to 18 million over 6 (3 per)...wonder what the actual contract is worth outside of the guarantee. Obvious that the way the team has performed has a lot to do with him signing and seeing that the team is heading in the right direction made him want to be a part of it...if they were 0-4 I doubt this meeting would have been set up.

Missed 1/4 of the season so I guess the guar per game would work out about the same.

[Doc JS]

Thats fine im not an agent my point was hes going to get his $$$ and he did and the 49ers payed him more than his slot. They just did. can we agree on that? can we agree that i wasnt wrong on more than a little bit ? At least he didnt go play in the CFL or UFL i was worried for a bit there.

Well...he DIDNT get the money he was asking for because he wanted to be paid like the #1 WR taken in the draft. He was asking for DHB money - 23.5M. AND HE DIDNT GET IT. Can we agree on that?

But to answer your question: Yes, he got his money...but he was always going to get him money unless he was a total TFI. His slot was 16-17M. So, yes, he got a little more money than his slot. And no, I never really thought he was going to the CFL! LOL

Doc

[Bigmikesm]

I cant believe they gave Josh Freeman 5 yr/36 million contract. He won't pan out.

[jjgold]

If he plays decent SF is going to be awfully tough to beat

[topcat]

I cant believe they gave Josh Freeman 5 yr/36 million contract. He won't pan out.

if thats the rookie qb from ks.i dont think he will be any good either.the last qb ks had was micheal bishop,and hes play in the cfl.micheal had a strong arm just like freeman.

[wacked]

Need a salary cap or contracts based on performance incentives rather than millions before even playing a game.

[babyanni]

Well...he DIDNT get the money he was asking for because he wanted to be paid like the #1 WR taken in the draft. He was asking for DHB money - 23.5M. AND HE DIDNT GET IT. Can we agree on that?

But to answer your question: Yes, he got his money...but he was always going to get him money unless he was a total TFI. His slot was 16-17M. So, yes, he got a little more money than his slot. And no, I never really thought he was going to the CFL! LOL

Doc

Espn said this morning 6 years 32M/17

[Doc JS]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ers/index.html

49ers the clear winner as Crabtree ends bizarre contract holdout

SAN FRANCISCO -- At the end of a 72-day holdout, during which he was nationally mocked as a selfish diva and reviled as a symbol of greed, Michael Crabtree wasn't greeted with a celebration on Wednesday.

"I told him, 'There will be no balloons, no parties when you get here,' " 49ers coach Mike Singletary said. Nor, as it turns out, a contract victory.

The 49ers are putting together a surprisingly successful season and you can count the end of the Crabtree holdout as yet another win.

Crabtree, the No. 10 pick in the April draft, thought he was worth more than No. 10 money. But what he ended up with -- after signing early Wednesday morning -- wasn't significantly more guaranteed money that he was originally offered in May.

That first offer was a five-year, $20 million contract, with $16 million guaranteed. What Crabtree reportedly accepted was an incentive-laden six-year, $32 million offer, with $17 million guaranteed.

So what was the point?

"My whole approach was to let my agent handle all my business," Crabtree said, wearing a No. 15 jersey. "This has been a very humbling experience."

It was indeed humbling. And seemingly pointless. If Crabtree thought he had leverage from another team, it apparently dried up. It seems no coincidence that another piece of the puzzle fell into place the same day, when the Jets traded for Cleveland receiver Braylon Edwards.

The Jets were part of the Crabtree melodrama: Shortly after NFL Network's Deion Sanders dropped on-air hints that other teams were involved with Crabtree, the 49ers filed tampering charges against the Jets. Combine the Jets' newfound love of Edwards with the ability of the 49ers to thrive without Crabtree (they're 3-1 and in control of the NFC West), and it all added up to a loss of influence for the Crabtree camp.

"It didn't hurt at all that we're having success," general manager Scot McCloughan said. "That there's a positive vibe nationally and locally."

The 49ers have made plenty of mistakes in recent years. But their handling of the Crabtree situation may mark a new stage of maturation for the organization. The 49ers stood their ground, didn't bend, and ended up with both the player and not a significantly altered deal.

"We didn't panic," McCloughan said.

Instead, the Crabtree camp came to them. On Sunday night, the 49ers found out that Crabtree and his agent, Eugene Parker, were flying to the Bay Area. The two sides met on Tuesday. There were still more odd developments. M.C. Hammer -- Sanders' old running mate -- was involved, ushering Crabtree and owner Jed York through the hotel lobby, and Crabtree dashed away from local reporters who were staking out the meeting. But the deal finally was done around 2 a.m. Wednesday.

Crabtree won't suit up against Atlanta on Sunday. The 49ers have a bye on Oct. 18. By the time the team travels to Crabtree's home state of Texas -- to play Houston on Oct. 25 -- the former Texas Tech receiver may be ready to run a few routes.

Now Crabtree has to work to win the respect of his teammates.

"He'll have to earn their trust," Singletary said.

Inside the 49ers' locker room, players didn't seem all that worried about the holdout. After all, that demographic is far more aware than the general public of the nasty business side of their profession.

"I couldn't wait for him to be here," tight end Vernon Davis said. "We're a team. We accept him. We're happy to have him."

Quarterback Shaun Hill joked about his own rookie holdout. "Yeah, I held out for the first seven rounds of the draft," said Hill, who signed with Minnesota as an undrafted free agent in 2002.

Crabtree may have a more difficult time winning over the public. With unemployment hovering near 10 percent, Crabtree picked a wrong time to reject millions. There's been a lot of anger directed at him. And while Crabtree claimed to be oblivious to it, his teammates have heard it.

"I'm aware of that," said Davis, who has morphed from a target of fan derision into a crowd favorite this season. "He'll have to let his play speak for itself. Once he makes some plays, everybody will love him."

That's true. Especially with the way the 49ers are going.

"I'm happy for him and I'm happy for us too," Singletary said. "I think this team is really going to be something special and I want him to be a part of this. It's a win-win situation."

But much more of a win for the 49ers.

Ann Killion can be reached at siwriters@simail.com.

[TPowell]

guy is 10x better than Bey, idiot move whoever drafted him, dont remember to be honest