[frostno98]

You can bank on it. I'm putting 1k for under 7 Broncos wins at -175. This should be an easy bet. Denver has not really address their defensive problems, their front seven is still despicable. This is the same horrible defense from last year that gave up 30 points with ease. This time around, they won't have an offense that will give this team a fighting chance with Kyle Orton at the helm. I see maybe a 5 wins season here, and tie for last place with the Raiders.

[rezkoness69]

McDaniels is gonna be under a lotta heat by the end of the year thats for sure. He's taking over for Shany, a legend in that area. I agree with you, they don't win 7 games. Although I will say this, they will not lose because of Kyle Orton.

[kroyrunner89]

i think the broncos come in with 7 or 8 wins... good luck to you though. orton honestly isn't that big of a step back, he was great for the bears before he got hurt, he'll surprise a lot of people this year

[flyingillini]

I hope you are correct!

[lakerboy]

Originally Posted by kroyrunner89

i think the broncos come in with 7 or 8 wins... good luck to you though. orton honestly isn't that big of a step back, he was great for the bears before he got hurt, he'll surprise a lot of people this year

frostno you never learn- as a bears fan i know orton is better than given credit for- the broncos will win 8 games this year and i will laugh at you again

[frostno98]

Originally Posted by lakerboy

frostno you never learn- as a bears fan i know orton is better than given credit for- the broncos will win 8 games this year and i will laugh at you again

If that's the case, then you shouldn't have any problem putting a future on Denver winning more than 7 then.

Last year Defense couldn't stop anyone, but atleast the offense can score. This year defense will continue to not stop anyone because they got no pass rush, and now the Offense won't be able to score if their lives depended on it.

1Sun, Sep 13th, 2009 at CincinnatiLose
2Sun, Sep 20th, 2009ClevelandWin
3Sun, Sep 27th, 2009 at OaklandLose
4Sun, Oct 4th, 2009DallasWin
5Sun, Oct 11th, 2009New_EnglandLose
6Mon, Oct 19th, 2009 at San_Diegolose
7Bye
8Sun, Nov 1st, 2009 at Baltimorelose
9Mon, Nov 9th, 2009Pittsburghlose
10Sun, Nov 15th, 2009 at Washingtonlose
11Sun, Nov 22nd, 2009San_Diegolose
12Thu, Nov 26th, 2009NY_GiantsWin
13Sun, Dec 6th, 2009 at Kansas_Citylose
14Sun, Dec 13th, 2009 at Indianapolislose
15Sun, Dec 20th, 2009OaklandWin
16Sun, Dec 27th, 2009 at Philadelphialose
17Sun, Jan 3rd, 2010Kansas_CityWin

[Nickelicious]

Originally Posted by frostno98

If that's the case, then you shouldn't have any problem putting a future on Denver winning more than 7 then.

Last year Defense couldn't stop anyone, but atleast the offense can score. This year defense will continue to not stop anyone because they got no pass rush, and now the Offense won't be able to score if their lives depended on it.

1Sun, Sep 13th, 2009 at CincinnatiLose
2Sun, Sep 20th, 2009ClevelandWin
3Sun, Sep 27th, 2009 at OaklandLose
4Sun, Oct 4th, 2009DallasWin
5Sun, Oct 11th, 2009New_EnglandLose
6Mon, Oct 19th, 2009 at San_Diegolose
7Bye
8Sun, Nov 1st, 2009 at Baltimorelose
9Mon, Nov 9th, 2009Pittsburghlose
10Sun, Nov 15th, 2009 at Washingtonlose
11Sun, Nov 22nd, 2009San_Diegolose
12Thu, Nov 26th, 2009NY_GiantsWin
13Sun, Dec 6th, 2009 at Kansas_Citylose
14Sun, Dec 13th, 2009 at Indianapolislose
15Sun, Dec 20th, 2009OaklandWin
16Sun, Dec 27th, 2009 at Philadelphialose
17Sun, Jan 3rd, 2010Kansas_CityWin

Wow, I can see at least 3 more wins on that schedule than you do. Lakerboy is right, Orton is better than you think: steady, tough, game manager, minimal mistakes. He works his ass off to get better, too.

Denver's defense might be weak again this season, but the top half of their draft was focused on defense and they will get a boost out of those kids. And their top pick, running back Knowshon Moreno out of Georgia, is gonna be fragile but he is nimble and should put up a few good years if he can stay healthy. A decent running game will only help Orton, of course. Denver should get to 8 wins again this year. They lost three in a row at the end of last year and play in a weak division. Hell, they could go 5-1 against their division opponents alone.

[reno cool]

I'll take the over. Shanahan blew 3 games a year in stupid play calling alone. His coaching staff did a poor job as well.

[jjgold]

Orton had a very good team in Chicago and Denver does not have the same talent especially on the defensive side of ball.


Denver goes 4-12 this year

[HotStreak]

I agree.

Denver has the potential to be very bad. Outside of their weak division(San Diego will run the AFC west), their schedule includes NE,DAL,NYG,PHI,BAL,IND,PIT,WAS.

I think the under 7 is a good bet.

[Nickelicious]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Orton had a very good team in Chicago and Denver does not have the same talent especially on the defensive side of ball.


Denver goes 4-12 this year

Chicago has been one of the least talented teams at offensive skill positions in the NFL for the past couple years, and they have gone 7-9 and 9-7 and missed the playoffs. Their offensive line was miserable last year and they ended up 26th in the NFL in yards, while Denver was 2nd. Chicago's running back (Forte) was their leading receiver and he had all of 63 catches last year. They drafted three WRs, trying to make up for woeful production.

Their defense was ranked 21st and Denver's was ranked 29th. Neither was very good.

Yeah, Denver could go 4-12. Their non-conference schedule is brutal, but traditionally they play very well at home. 6-10 or 7-9 seems more likely, and 8-8 is very achievable, which is why I would just stay away from this bet.

[CaneDawg]

their weak division could allow them to win 8 games

[frostno98]

Originally Posted by kroyrunner89

i think the broncos come in with 7 or 8 wins... good luck to you though. orton honestly isn't that big of a step back, he was great for the bears before he got hurt, he'll surprise a lot of people this year

Kyle Orton was who we thought he was! This guy sux!

[Jimbo42]

I hate this thread!

[jjgold]

Simms should be QB

Orton is whore shit

[SBR Lou]

This thread doesn't have anything to do with the 3 interceptions Orton threw last night, does it? Obviously he's not as gifted as Jay Cutler, but I don't think the difference between them is night and day. I think it "could" be, but Cutler isn't there yet.

Denver isn't going anywhere because of their horrible defense, I don't think Orton is a really a problem.

[BGS 9.5]

I am curious as to how many running backs they will use this season...

[frostno98]

Originally Posted by CrazyLou

This thread doesn't have anything to do with the 3 interceptions Orton threw last night, does it? Obviously he's not as gifted as Jay Cutler, but I don't think the difference between them is night and day. I think it "could" be, but Cutler isn't there yet.

Denver isn't going anywhere because of their horrible defense, I don't think Orton is a really a problem.

Yeah, but Orton will be why they will win only 5 games this season

[Nickelicious]

I think you'll be right in the end, frostno, I just wouldn't take the bet. Orton's three picks last night were an anomaly. He'll settle down and be the same game manager he was with the Bears, except he'll have more weapons.

If I had to predict, I think the Broncs will go 6-10, making you a winner, but 7-9 would be real easy to see, too. GL to you.

[Nickelicious]

Denver is off to a 3-0 start. Sure, I can see them losing 5 straight starting next week, but I can also see them going 8-8 this season, even 9-7 if they pull off an upset. Orton has been what he has always been: a steady game manager who will rarely cost you a game.

Say what you want about their first three opponents, but their defense giving up 16 points all year? That kind of D is what will give them a chance in every game this year. And their running game, with rookie Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter combining for 198 yards against Oakland, that is new age Bronco football!

With Orton playing steady, the D playing tough, and the running game staying productive, I'm afraid frostno98 might be losing a grand at the end of this season.

[Shortstop]

Frosty this isn't looking good.

[hoopster42]

[Bigmikesm]

Originally Posted by frostno98

Yeah, but Orton will be why they will win only 5 games this season

Wow, after looking at their schedule I can see why you would say 5 wins. They still may only win 6/7 games even though they are 3-0. The two Kansas City games and Oakland look about the easiest remaining.

[jjgold]

You still have a shot but maybe Denver is better than we think

[madmaxx]

they really aren't....we will crush them twice.

[HotStreak]

The Lions started 6-2 a couple years ago, look where that got them. I do not know what to think about Denver's 3-0 start. The term "A soft 3-0 " comes to mind. We'll see.

[A Mayland]

That first game should be nullified...bunch of BS...Hope you win your bet though. I have over on Cincinnati wins so that first game screwed me over. Denver doesn't look as bad as everyone thought though. I honestly think both teams are surprising everyone

[lakerboy]

frostno they will win 4 of their next 13 games thats for sure

[ryanjep]

you def still have a chance to win but a push is a little more likely

[homerbush]

Haha all the Bronco hate cracks me up. Before the season this is all that was said. Bronco's have a tough schedule, Cincy is the best team ever, and KC and Oakland are greatly improved. Where do I start. KC and Oakland are even worse than last year. They cannot even do the fundamental things right like down a punt. Okay the game at Arrowhead in December will be a tough but I can see 4 wins right there. Cincy has impressed me so far though but whatever Denver won. Who cares if it was a fluke play or not. Denver kept themselves in the game to have a chance to win. Now look at their schedule. Most of their toughest games are at home. At Washington? are you kidding me that is a win right there. Will the Redskins win a game this year? 8-8 or 9-7 looks good to me.

[geebert74]

Even I was very nervous about this upcoming season... So far they have stepped it up... Defensively can you ask for anymore thus far?

[big0mar]

Look at the Broncos offensively. Their personnel groupings and substitutions are as sharp as anyone in the NFL. That is the sign of excellent coaching.

[SmackdownV]

I'm not homer.

But the Broncos just might have the best D in the NFL...........I would place your 1k the other way.

[SmackdownV]

Broncos SHUT DOWN Cincy......

Cincy beats GB at GB.

Cincy beats Pitt...............

Raiders hang with San Diego................San Diego has an explosive offense.

Denver has allowed 1 TD this year.

Best D so far in the NFL.

[Nickelicious]

Originally Posted by HotStreak

The Lions started 6-2 a couple years ago, look where that got them. I do not know what to think about Denver's 3-0 start. The term "A soft 3-0 " comes to mind. We'll see.

A week ago, I also thought Denver was a soft 3-0.

I do not think they are that soft anymore, though. 4-0. And now they have the confidence to compete with anyone, especially at home. And Kyle Orton was absolutely, hands-down brilliant against Dallas, with a 117.5 QB rating. And rookie Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter are the real deal.

This could be a team to be reckoned with after all.