[dova]

I'm a huge redskins fan, originally from the dc area. Can't wait for the nfl to start.

[slacker00]

Since I'm bored, I'll buzz through my ATS leans off the cuff.

Titans +5.5
Dolphins+4
Chiefs +8
Eagles+2
Bengals +2
Vikings -3
Texans -3.5
Jaguars +7
Lions +12
Cowboys -3
49ers +7
Redskins +5
Rams +6.5
Bears +3
Patriots -10
Raiders +7

Heavy on the dogs. Interesting.

[slacker00]

Thrusday 9/10... Steelers MoneyLine
Sunday 9/13... Ravens ML, Saints ML, or Cardinals ML
Monday 9/14... Chargers ML

It's still a little too early though.

I'm against you on all of these. Eat that chalk! Eat it!

[dreamjob]

Here's my picks

Titans +5.5
Dolphins +4
Ravens -8
Eagles +2
Broncos -2
Vikings -3
Jets +3.5
Colts -7
Lions +12
Cowboys -3
Cardinals -7
Giants -5
Rams +6.5
Bears +3
Patriots -10
Chargers -7

Still 3 months away till NFL starts. I can't wait.

[Kyleben]

bengals +2, i love it

[kmarinouofm]

love the dolphins +4

[slacker00]

I got the sheet from the Hilton here in Vegas, and the lines match up except for the Texans/Jets

Texans -2.5 at the Hilton

I'd jump all over that. Texans are a much better team than the Jets heading into 2009. Jets have no QB, not to mention a host of other issues.

[Irish Jet]

I'm all over the Jets.

Andre Johnson will not dominate Revis. Texans always suck early on.

[Irish Jet]

I'd jump all over that. Texans are a much better team than the Jets heading into 2009. Jets have no QB, not to mention a host of other issues.

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[slacker00]

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1. They let Coles go, their #1 WR. That's a big hit. It's all fine & good to release Coles if they could replace talent with talent. The Jets didn't. There's going to be a hole there. Who's gonna set up? Chansi Stuckey? Clowney? Brad Smith? Give me a break. These guys are all second rate at best alongside career #2 WR in Cotchery.

2. They gave up their entire draft to move up to get Sanchez. Another hit. They might have gotten a solid WR in the draft, to replace Coles. Instead, a QB who will not be productive early in the year, a RB with potential in the 3rd round, but they've already got Jones. Then a Guard in the 6th round. They gave up a lot for Sanchez who won't be immediately productive, so the team takes a net hit, at least until Sanchez proves that he can be a solid NFL starter.

3. They threw in Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam in the Sanchez deal as well. Trading Ratliff makes sense when they're drafting Sanchez, but Coleman was a major contributor on defense. Elam was solid at Safety last year. Worse yet, they couldn't replace talent with talent. With no draft picks or free agency moves, they've basically taken a net loss on defense. Sure, they got Sheppard from the Eagles, but I'd still have questions about the continuity of the personnel. Rex Ryan is solid, though, so the defense should still be solid.

In conclusion, they gave up a ton for Sanchez, fine. He my end up having a great career. But week 1 of a rookie QB's career, I'm not expecting much. Going from HOF QB Brett Favre to someone with zero NFL experience is a huge drop off. Don't let last year's heroics of Matt Ryan fool you, rookie QBs get schooled. I'm not even 100% convinced that Sancez will be starting week 1 anyway. Then who've you got Clemons? I'm not scared by the NYJ QBs, especially against a very capable and severely underrated Texans defense.

[Irish Jet]

1. They let Coles go, their #1 WR. That's a big hit. It's all fine & good to release Coles if they could replace talent with talent. The Jets didn't. There's going to be a hole there. Who's gonna set up? Chansi Stuckey? Clowney? Brad Smith? Give me a break. These guys are all second rate at best alongside career #2 WR in Cotchery.

2. They gave up their entire draft to move up to get Sanchez. Another hit. They might have gotten a solid WR in the draft, to replace Coles. Instead, a QB who will not be productive early in the year, a RB with potential in the 3rd round, but they've already got Jones. Then a Guard in the 6th round. They gave up a lot for Sanchez who won't be immediately productive, so the team takes a net hit, at least until Sanchez proves that he can be a solid NFL starter.

3. They threw in Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam in the Sanchez deal as well. Trading Ratliff makes sense when they're drafting Sanchez, but Coleman was a major contributor on defense. Elam was solid at Safety last year. Worse yet, they couldn't replace talent with talent. With no draft picks or free agency moves, they've basically taken a net loss on defense. Sure, they got Sheppard from the Eagles, but I'd still have questions about the continuity of the personnel. Rex Ryan is solid, though, so the defense should still be solid.

In conclusion, they gave up a ton for Sanchez, fine. He my end up having a great career. But week 1 of a rookie QB's career, I'm not expecting much. Going from HOF QB Brett Favre to someone with zero NFL experience is a huge drop off. Don't let last year's heroics of Matt Ryan fool you, rookie QBs get schooled. I'm not even 100% convinced that Sancez will be starting week 1 anyway. Then who've you got Clemons? I'm not scared by the NYJ QBs, especially against a very capable and severely underrated Texans defense.

Are you forgetting about Bart Scott? Jim Leonhard? Both HUGE upgrades over what we had and both players contributed in a big way to that great Ravens defense last season coached by...Rex Ryan.

That has to be a joke regarding Coleman. He's garbage. Douglas (Another former Raven) will be an upgrade. Elam was okay but was always going to be backing up Leonhard.

This defense already had the likes of Darrelle Revis, Kerry Rhodes, Calvin Pace, Kric Jenkins etc. IMO it has the potential to be a special unit, one of the best in the league. One of the main problems the Jets had defensively last season was a severe lack of aggression and passion on the defensive side of the ball. Serious misuse of players. Even Gholston may step up under Ryan although I wouldn't bank on that.

The QB situation is very questionable, as is the WR situation BUT this is not a team that's going to have to throw the ball in a great way to win games. It's going to be about pounding the football (They may have one of the best if not the best top offensive line in the league) with a scary running back trio of Thomas Jones, Leon Washington and Shonn Greene (Who IMO is simply going to be a beast). Dustin Keller will be a pretty food target too from the TE spot, he'll help the QB whether it be Clemens or Sanchez.

This team is going to be good IMO. It's going to be built around a very tough running game and what I believe could be a dominant defense. The QB will not be asked to do too much.

[NardVa]

bengals +2, i love it

I'm thinking the same thing. Bengals defense played solid in the 2nd half of the season but they couldn't do anything on offense with no Palmer. Defense should be better this year and with a healthy Palmer offense should be stable.

[slacker00]

Are you forgetting about Bart Scott? Jim Leonhard? Both HUGE upgrades over what we had and both players contributed in a big way to that great Ravens defense last season coached by...Rex Ryan.

That has to be a joke regarding Coleman. He's garbage. Douglas (Another former Raven) will be an upgrade. Elam was okay but was always going to be backing up Leonhard.

This defense already had the likes of Darrelle Revis, Kerry Rhodes, Calvin Pace, Kric Jenkins etc. IMO it has the potential to be a special unit, one of the best in the league. One of the main problems the Jets had defensively last season was a severe lack of aggression and passion on the defensive side of the ball. Serious misuse of players. Even Gholston may step up under Ryan although I wouldn't bank on that.

The QB situation is very questionable, as is the WR situation BUT this is not a team that's going to have to throw the ball in a great way to win games. It's going to be about pounding the football (They may have one of the best if not the best top offensive line in the league) with a scary running back trio of Thomas Jones, Leon Washington and Shonn Greene (Who IMO is simply going to be a beast). Dustin Keller will be a pretty food target too from the TE spot, he'll help the QB whether it be Clemens or Sanchez.

This team is going to be good IMO. It's going to be built around a very tough running game and what I believe could be a dominant defense. The QB will not be asked to do too much.

Yeah, the defense will be fine, I said that above. Yet, don't start thinking they're going to be the Ravens starting week 1. Sure they've got some good talent, but it still remains to be seen how these players fit together in a new scheme under a new coaching staff, etc. It may gel together at some point, but it may not happen week 1. Say what you will about Coleman, but he was a starter for the NYJ at DE for the last two years, same with Elam.

On offense, you can't just say, "We can't pass, so we'll run.". That's not how it works in the NFL. If you can't pass, you'll see 8 in the box all day. Not to mention, the NYJ is not exactly a smash mouth type of team on offense. If they don't have a balanced attack, this team will struggle on offense.

It's fine to be a fan of your team, but there's a lot that remains to be seen on a team that is basically renovating the roster from top to bottom. I'm not sure how anyone can predict anything about this team, besides the basic fact that they'll be nursing along a rookie QB.

[Irish Jet]

Yeah, the defense will be fine, I said that above. Yet, don't start thinking they're going to be the Ravens starting week 1. Sure they've got some good talent, but it still remains to be seen how these players fit together in a new scheme under a new coaching staff, etc. It may gel together at some point, but it may not happen week 1. Say what you will about Coleman, but he was a starter for the NYJ at DE for the last two years, same with Elam.

On offense, you can't just say, "We can't pass, so we'll run.". That's not how it works in the NFL. If you can't pass, you'll see 8 in the box all day. Not to mention, the NYJ is not exactly a smash mouth type of team on offense. If they don't have a balanced attack, this team will struggle on offense.

It's fine to be a fan of your team, but there's a lot that remains to be seen on a team that is basically renovating the roster from top to bottom. I'm not sure how anyone can predict anything about this team, besides the basic fact that they'll be nursing along a rookie QB.

How are we not a smash mouth type team? We have probably the best offensive line in the league which is dominant in run blocking. Schotty will not play the same way with Clemens/Sanchez as he did with Favre. This team will be all about running the ball. It's also harsh to think they "can't pass". I said they wont rely on it, they'll ask the QB to manage the game. Ala Joe Flacco last seaon (Although I think we'll have a much better running game than the Ravens did).

Elam and Coleman (especially) were awful over the last two seasons. Starting or not, they will not be missed.

Also, I don't think it will take as long as you make out to "gel" as a unit. They already have 3 veterans of Ryans defense IN EVERY AREA of the defense. Those guys will be helping out with the adjustment. Players are already declaring that they love the schemes (Kerry Rhodes said he thinks they're going to be the best in the league, maybe an exaggeration and I know talk is cheap, but still good to hear). This is a defense, not an offense. It's a much quicker adjustment and Ryan has already said that right now they're miles ahead of where he even he thought they'd be.

Will we be the Ravens in week 1? Maybe not, but I still think they'll be pretty darn good. You also have to keep in mind, the Jets match up so well against the Texans.

[slacker00]

--fanboy rant snipped--

Will we be the Ravens in week 1? Maybe not, but I still think they'll be pretty darn good. You also have to keep in mind, the Jets match up so well against the Texans.

You'll have to explain this to me.

The Texans have a lot of momentum coming out of last season, with a lot to prove in a week 1 opener at home. Last year the Texans saw how it was to get behind early in the season and I expect them to come out firing to keep pace in a tough division.

The Jets are reeling after a meltdown last season. Enter a new coach & new regime, new players and a rookie at QB. This team has more questions than answers in week 1.

So, given that the home teams gets the 3, under normal circumstances, the lines suggests that the Texans & Jets are approximately equal in week 1. I think this is simply wrong. I guess that's why they play the game, we'll see what happens when the players play it out for real.

[Irish Jet]

You'll have to explain this to me.

The Texans have a lot of momentum coming out of last season, with a lot to prove in a week 1 opener at home. Last year the Texans saw how it was to get behind early in the season and I expect them to come out firing to keep pace in a tough division.

The Jets are reeling after a meltdown last season. Enter a new coach & new regime, new players and a rookie at QB. This team has more questions than answers in week 1.

So, given that the home teams gets the 3, under normal circumstances, the lines suggests that the Texans & Jets are approximately equal in week 1. I think this is simply wrong. I guess that's why they play the game, we'll see what happens when the players play it out for real.

They finished strong,yes, like they do every ****ing year AND with a different QB down the stretch. (Schaub is not that good). Funny how you mentioned the Jets have a new QB yet fail to point out that theTexans looked more impressive last season with Sage Rosenfels.

As for the matchups. Johnson, The Texans best offensive player, goes up against Darrelle Revis, probably the best CB in the league not named Nnamdi Asomugha whiel Mario Williams their best defensive player goes up against D'Brickashaw Ferguson. A player coming into his own at LT.

Those matchups will be very important but I've no doubt in my mind that the Jets players will contain, if not stop those guys. Beyond Williams and Johnson, there's nothing great about the Texans.

The Jets IMO are the just the much more talented team.

[ATB515]

San Diego HUGE.
Steelers -5.5
Panthers -2
Bengals +2
Texans -3.5

[slacker00]

They finished strong,yes, like they do every ****ing year

Wrong. 5-1 in 2008, 3-3 in 2007, 3-3 in 2006.

AND with a different QB down the stretch. (Schaub is not that good). Funny how you mentioned the Jets have a new QB yet fail to point out that theTexans looked more impressive last season with Sage Rosenfels.

Schaub finished the season at QB. Schaub was 6-5 as a starter, Rosenfels was 2-3. Schaub had a QB rating of 92.7, Rosenfels was 79.5.

Yes, it is funny how you have no clue what you are talking about. Your facts are simply wrong.

As for the matchups. Johnson, The Texans best offensive player, goes up against Darrelle Revis, probably the best CB in the league not named Nnamdi Asomugha whiel Mario Williams their best defensive player goes up against D'Brickashaw Ferguson. A player coming into his own at LT.

Nobody thinks Revis in this way. Brick is a borderline bust. For being picked #4 overall, he hasn't even been to a pro bowl.

Those matchups will be very important but I've no doubt in my mind that the Jets players will contain, if not stop those guys. Beyond Williams and Johnson, there's nothing great about the Texans.

The Jets IMO are the just the much more talented team.

It isn't about picking a couple matchups anyway. It's a team game. The Texans are a team, the Jets are a collection of "talent". I'm not even convinced of the quality of talent on the Jets team. Most of them are overrated veterans on the back end of their career. Besides, it takes a QB to win against quality teams in the NFL, entering week 1, the Jets have no proven NFL QB.

[Irish Jet]

Wrong. 5-1 in 2008, 3-3 in 2007, 3-3 in 2006.


Schaub finished the season at QB. Schaub was 6-5 as a starter, Rosenfels was 2-3. Schaub had a QB rating of 92.7, Rosenfels was 79.5.

Yes, it is funny how you have no clue what you are talking about. Your facts are simply wrong.




Nobody thinks Revis in this way. Brick is a borderline bust. For being picked #4 overall, he hasn't even been to a pro bowl.

It isn't about picking a couple matchups anyway. It's a team game. The Texans are a team, the Jets are a collection of "talent". I'm not even convinced of the quality of talent on the Jets team. Most of them are overrated veterans on the back end of their career. Besides, it takes a QB to win against quality teams in the NFL, entering week 1, the Jets have no proven NFL QB.

11-7 is strong for the Texans. Compare that to normal results. I was thinking of 2007 when I made the comment in regards to Schaub, I did not mean to say "last season"

BTW your post loses all credibility when you say Revis isn't thought of as an elite QB and that Brick is a "borderline bust". Watch football.

The Texans are not a "quality team". The Jets will win this game.

[slacker00]

11-7 is strong for the Texans. Compare that to normal results. I was thinking of 2007 when I made the comment in regards to Schaub, I did not mean to say "last season"

Dredging up 2007 is really reaching. But since you mention it, Schaub had a passer rating of 87.2 in his first year as a full time starter on a new team in 2007. That's not bad. Keep whiffing, fanboy.

BTW your post loses all credibility when you say Revis isn't thought of as an elite QBand that Brick is a "borderline bust". Watch football.

The Texans are not a "quality team". The Jets will win this game.

Credibility?! Do you know what position Revis plays? Hint, it isn't QB! haha. Do you know what kind of expectations there are for high first round draft picks? Watch football? All I do is track the NFL 24/7/365. What information would you like me to digest, specifically? Besides the fact that you are a huge Jets fanboy?

[Irish Jet]

Dredging up 2007 is really reaching. But since you mention it, Schaub had a passer rating of 87.2 in his first year as a full time starter on a new team in 2007. That's not bad. Keep whiffing, fanboy.

Credibility?! Do you know what position Revis plays? Hint, it isn't QB! haha. Do you know what kind of expectations there are for high first round draft picks? Watch football? All I do is track the NFL 24/7/365. What information would you like me to digest, specifically? Besides the fact that you are a huge Jets fanboy?

Obviously a typo. Jeez.

Yes I do know what expectations are for a first round pick. D'Brick is a VERY good Left Tackle. He came into his own last season after having an inconsistent first two seasons (He's always been pretty good in pass protection, he really stepped up his run blocking). We had one of the best offensive lines in the league (Don't think this opinion is restricted to Jet fans BTW) in both phases of the game. Favre was the main problem on offense last season, and he's gone.

If you think that Revis isn't an elite CB after his play last season then you're talking shite about being this NFLguru that does nothing but track football. Teams rarely through his way last season, he was shutting down top WR's. I think he gave up like 2 TD's all season and one of those came when his own player bumped into him at the LOS. He's a great CB who's only going to get better.

[slacker00]

Obviously a typo. Jeez.

It's just a tiny indication of your predisposition for mistakes.

Yes I do know what expectations are for a first round pick. D'Brick is a VERY good Left Tackle. He came into his own last season after having an inconsistent first two seasons (He's always been pretty good in pass protection, he really stepped up his run blocking). We had one of the best offensive lines in the league (Don't think this opinion is restricted to Jet fans BTW) in both phases of the game. Favre was the main problem on offense last season, and he's gone.

Enjoy the Favre scapegoating while you can. It won't take long and the Jets fans will have a new QB scapegoat.

If you think that Revis isn't an elite CB after his play last season then you're talking shite about being this NFLguru that does nothing but track football. Teams rarely through his way last season, he was shutting down top WR's. I think he gave up like 2 TD's all season and one of those came when his own player bumped into him at the LOS. He's a great CB who's only going to get better.

He was a backup on the Pro Bowl roster, for the AFC. So, sure, he's roughly a top 10 CB. Saying he's #2 in the league is just plain wrong. He's not even #2 in the AFC, even after a career year for him.

[Irish Jet]

It's just a tiny indication of your predisposition for mistakes.

Enjoy the Favre scapegoating while you can. It won't take long and the Jets fans will have a new QB scapegoat.

He was a backup on the Pro Bowl roster, for the AFC. So, sure, he's roughly a top 10 CB. Saying he's #2 in the league is just plain wrong. He's not even #2 in the AFC, even after a career year for him.

Pro-bowl. You're going by pro-bowl.

Wow.

As for Favre, I'm not making him the scapegoat, he wasn't the only player who fell apart down the stretch. The offensive line though, was great all season long. Watch Favre's INT's, very few of them came because of immediate pressure. They came because he held the ball too long and eventually just decided to sling it downfield. If you couldn't see though how absolutely awful Favre was in the last 6 or so games of the season and through some games in the early part of the season then I don't know what games you were watching.

Look it's all pretty debatable now, butI think the Jets are a better team than the Texans, we'll find out in week 1.

[kroyrunner89]

falcons -4 is the only thing that jumps out at me... obviously it's still really early though. september can't come fast enough

[slacker00]

i wouldnt be surprised if the texans stepped up and won that division...

I'd put that division up as flat nuts even for all 4 teams.

921 Indianapolis Colts +165
922 Tennessee Titans +265
923 Jacksonville Jaguars +405
924 Houston Texans +285

Great value on the Jags there.

[BarkingToad]

early lean on arizona -7 and buffalo +10

[pinnacle212]

Do not grab the Buffalo line early. The Pats lovers and the straight liners TO haters will have this line at 10 1/2 to 12.

[rezkoness69]

bears plus 3 fo sho

[solo1969]

cowboys -3 looks good.

[NFLMAN]

Redskins +6

Hard to pick games this far in advance, more later...