[atofsu32111]

Id like to know how UNC will lose to Kansas and Ucla/Memphis?

They will be up and down the court like they have been all tournament, UNSTOPABLE, Id like to hear some debate on this?

[pimike]

They look unbeatable. Put who knows. Pete loves UCLA they are the biggest dog in the finals to win it all.

[Willie Bee]

Originally Posted by atofsu32111

Id like to know how UNC will lose to Kansas and Ucla/Memphis?

The same way they lost to Maryland and Duke earlier this year, by being outscored.

I've read plenty about the Heels the last couple of days. Any of the four teams left can win it all, obviously. All four are well-coached and have tremendous players. It's the reason they were all No. 1 seeds to begin with.

[pimike]

Take your best two picks and you have a good shot of making money on the future bet.

[Wyndham]

Originally Posted by pimike

Take your best two picks and you have a good shot of making money on the future bet.

Not the worst strategy in the world. I think a 1*KU/1*MEM combo would be profitable if either wins it.

[unde0087]

That is what i would like to know, i have made 4000 off them and i am glad people still are hating on them, that means i will make more money, and the two losses they had both rivalry games no one else has beaten them. they are unstoppable like you said and it doesn't both me a bit that everyone else thinks kansas plus the points, better lines. everyone is always trying to find ways they can beat them and then they play and it doesnt work. look for the same in the final four

[thegreatdiatchi]

When it comes to momentum UNC reminds me of the UCONN team that won it a few years back. They just seemed on a roll and unstoppable. If you get a team that can shut down hans on the inside AND contain the outside game it could happen. Out of the 3 teams left I think UCLA would have the best chance of doing this.

However, in the end I think UNC is just too good.

[greek]

Originally Posted by thegreatdiatchi

When it comes to momentum UNC reminds me of the UCONN team that won it a few years back. They just seemed on a roll and unstoppable. If you get a team that can shut down hans on the inside AND contain the outside game it could happen. Out of the 3 teams left I think UCLA would have the best chance of doing this.

However, in the end I think UNC is just too good.

[unde0087]

very well said, thegreat

[WestsidePete]

UNC vs UCLA with UNC winning it all...
picked these 2 at the start of the tourney but with UCLA winning..now I don't think anyone can stop UNC....

[EaglesPhan36]

Kansas has the athletes to keep up with UNC. Bill Self would be a fool to run with the Heels, so I expect him to look to pound the ball inside in the half court set. Make Hansbrough work on both ends of the court & maybe pick up some fouls against Arthur, Jackson and Kahn. KU also has the bodies to keep UNC off the offensive glass. Those are the keys to me, rebounding and KU's ability to score inside. If they can do both, they can win.

[rjt721]

The same UNC that lost at home to Maryland, was outplayed for the better part of 2 games by Clemson (and would have lost both games if Oliver Purnell wasn't the worst coach in the country) and gave up 46 points to Ty Rice is now unstopable [sic]? Huh? Throw in the fact Roy Williams is a poor in-game coach and the Heels are vulnerable against any of their three potential opponents.

[Rowdy Rolex]

^^^ all true rjt

BUT

oliver purnell isn't the worst coach in the country...

and UNC, REGARDLESS of regular season play is on fire now.
you must not have watched the ty rice game, cause what he did was amazing... everything he threw up went in, simply amazing... and it's kinda harsh to say roy's a poor-in-game coach, when it was just 2005 that he was able to win a national title (you don't get those by not adjusting...)

only worry is UNC comes out sluggish against KU...

if they play as the have been then these games this weekend won't even be that great though...

[St. Andrew]

Originally Posted by Willie Bee

The same way they lost to Maryland and Duke earlier this year, by being outscored.

I've read plenty about the Heels the last couple of days. Any of the four teams left can win it all, obviously. All four are well-coached and have tremendous players. It's the reason they were all No. 1 seeds to begin with.

UCLA can't win it.

[unde0087]

to answer rjt721,

Now you are taking games that were close and giving an "if" situation to them. Ya, UNC played some close games but they won. Should of, could of, would of are for losers because every team in the nation has those. Fact is UNC only losses came in big rivalry games. Other than that no one has beaten them. If we are talking about just the tournament then I don't care what team you are a fan of you can't tell me that UNC hasn't looked a step ahead of everyone. No one has even been within 10 of them and they have straight dominated everyone in front of them. Kansas has a good squad but they better play a hell of a game because they are going to need it. Talking about wearing physco T down and doing it are two different things, just ask anyone who has tried this season. And as far as Roy Williams being a bad coach, that is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. He has been a winner everywhere he has been so if he is a bad coach I guess there aren't any good coaches anymore because their isn't a better one than him now. I will put his winning percentage against any coach.

[The HG]

Originally Posted by unde0087

Fact is UNC only losses came in big rivalry games.

If you are saying that a rivalry environment is the only thing that makes UNC vulnerable to a loss, well the Kansas game will have one of the most intense rivalry atmospheres of the decade for UNC with the whole Roy Williams drama story.

[unde0087]

All I am saying is rivalry games often don't follow patterns that other games do because there is so much emotion between the two schools. I never said Kansas doesn't have a chance or that this won't be an intense game because it is the final four but this is no rivalry game.

[rjt721]

Originally Posted by unde0087

If we are talking about just the tournament then I don't care what team you are a fan of you can't tell me that UNC hasn't looked a step ahead of everyone.

I'm a fan of the team that covers.

It's clear you're a UNC fan, in which case everything you say on this matter should be taken with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by unde0087

And as far as Roy Williams being a bad coach, that is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. He has been a winner everywhere he has been so if he is a bad coach I guess there aren't any good coaches anymore because their isn't a better one than him now. I will put his winning percentage against any coach.

What does winning % have to do with anything? I never said he wasn't a great recruiter (he obviously is), I said he was a poor in-game coach, which he is. Just watch how Roy manages a game.

[unde0087]

Your right, he is a horrible coach. National championships are won by recruiting I guess. He is such a terrible in game coach with another 30+ win season, conference title, regular season title (all this in the ACC), just passed Rick Petino in final four appearances among active coaches. But the kids do it all themselves. He recruits them and then they just turn into the best team in the nation by themselves. This is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. How many bad in-game coaches have you seen in the final four contending for championships year in and year out? This guy is a hall of famer, not alot of coaches in the hall that are bad in-game coaches either! I wouldn't agree with you even if I wasn't an UNC fan because I liked him when he was at Kansas. All the coaches still coaching in this tournament are there because they are good at what they do.


And as far as being a fan. Yes, I am a fan of UNC, but I don't bet my own teams unless they make money and sir try and find a team that has covered more games than the Heels. I have bet them every game in the tourney and no one has come close to covering. I don't just bet to bet either. 4-0 ATS in this tourney. If I didn't think they could cover I wouldn't bet them but 4000 later still making money.

[Willie Bee]

I guess we have the answer to the original question about how UNC would lose. Going to sleep for two long stretches in the game cost them dearly, and of course we can't leave out the fact they were playing a team from the vastly superior Big 12

[Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Wyndham

Not the worst strategy in the world. I think a 1*KU/1*MEM combo would be profitable if either wins it.