[WWSports]

No problem...Do you want that with buying 3 pts or just ATS ?

I'd like to see it with no points, +1 point, + 2 points, and +3 points, if you have time.

[Wilba]

Someone want to post a scatter plot graph of all occurances within the nomenclature margin of the paradigms between teams and how they correlate to the reverse nomenclature when situated on high % variance situations based on the infrastructure of said graphing complex? I'm sure all of us would be willing to give 2 points.

WELL SAID LIMIT!

[Wilba]

To the noobies that were a few weeks ago suggesting that the series records without buying points would be basically the same (for backtesting purposes) as the posted series records with buying points – TAKE NOTE – two series over last couple days (Boston, Philly) were won with the points and lost without the points. This is added on top of the 3 or 4 series this year which had already been won with points and lost without. Buying the points makes a very significant difference to success rate! 5 series in the space of a few months lost w/out points and won with points means that if you were playing for 1 unit per series, w/ points you got +5 units from these 5 series, and w/out points you got -40 units from these 5 series, a differential of -45 units combined. That’s a big deal.

Conversely, not buying the points has only saved people ~12 units which they did not lose on the series that loses both with and without points..

Not telling people they should buy points, just pointing out that it makes a big difference to overall success rate, and it is certainly not something which can be ignored when considering system success rate.

Hey JM Disciple, you've been around the forum for a long time and always bring good vibes only here so kudos to you for that.. But you do tend to request some pretty big things from people on a whim (eg the graph), and also tend to post meaningless 'facts' or statistics which are often not thought through all that well before posting. I think you should just look at researching these things yourself a bit more before posting about them / asking other people to do them. Don't take it the wrong way, just my opinion and like I said you always bring good vibes, and I've got nothing against you at all. Just making a suggestion

[nitsuj378]

For those who are interested. Since we are at the half way point, I have tracked 4 betting methods for the current JM season. The 1-3-5, 7-5, B/C to win 3 units, and B/C to win 3 units (buy 3 points). Here are the results.



1-3-5 +53.88 units
7-5 +103.33 units
B/C to win 3 +40.08
B/C to win 3 (buy 3 points) +65.32




Notes and filters:
All results are based on closing odds at covers.com.
All methods that do not buy points use odds of -110 and are ATS.
The 7-5 method includes the +3.5 filter to the A bet for each series.
The B/C to win 3 (buy 3 points) assumes 3 points cost -170. (5dimes)
The results include all NBA teams on any 3 game road trip. (V1,V2,and V3)



Thanks
Justin

[Wallco99]

No problem...Do you want that with buying 3 pts or just ATS ?

And don't forget, we want that for the past 10 seasons, with 1-3-5, 7/5, and 3/3 all represented with different colors, preferably on one chart.

[Wallco99]

Well, you guys seem to have that under control, perhaps I can start working on his next request.

[knugen]

What a shitty night 3 of 3 losses for chase -110.. Anyway Golden state won

[Wallco99]

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 39-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +1.71 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 3 (-8.74 units)

(2/22/12):
#42 Boston (+8½) (B) - Loss
#43 Philadelphia (+4) (B) - Loss
#44 Washington (M/L) (A) - Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 26-18
(B) 6-11
(C) 4-5
(D) 3-2

V2 Plays
In production


Games for (2/23/12):
#42 Resumes (C) on 2/28/12
#43 Resumes (C) on 2/28/12
#44 Resumes (B) on 2/28/12
#45 Orlando @ Atlanta (+5) (A) (7:35 pm EST)


We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

[onacloud]

Atlanta is +3 most places now

[Maxi_EV]

Atlanta is +3 most places now

Thanks

[thelimit0310]

JM Feb 22

V2 GOLDEN STATE +7.5 @ Phoenix (A) WIN

Results Per Version

Version 1
A: 12-5
B: 2-3
C: 3-0

Version 2
A: 6-2
B: 2-0
C: 0-0

Version 3
A: 23-14
B: 11-3
C: 2-1
DET 1/28-1/31

Totals
A: 41-21
B: 15-6
C: 5-1

The next JM Play is on Tuesday, February 28th. No Plays until then

[thes0vereign]

The public is pounding away at ORL. ATL getting spanked last night and Johnson being out probably have more to do with it than confidence in the Magic.

[knugen]

atlanta line is now +4, opened at +1,5

[thelimit0310]

yeesh, speaking of taking everything up the butt....

I'm not going to involve myself in a petty argument, Wilba already said exactly how I feel about the situation in post #2418.

On another note, I'm going to be dumping some good time this weekend into more MLB testing. I'll keep everyone posted.

[bisturis]

Man, I am not doing so well ever since I started playing the JM system without buying the points.

Anyone else playing the system this way?

[alexknyc]

Man, I am not doing so well ever since I started playing the JM system without buying the points. Anyone else playing the system this way?

Last year, as a noob, I played it straight, buying the three points and seeing maybe one series where it would have made a difference. So this year, I decided I'd test how it went without doubling my risk for the extra 3 points (-110 to -200). So far, buying the points would have saved me significant money.

So what have I learned? That you can't try to "time the system" and guess when you'll need the three or not. The system works as a system and buying the points makes the system work as well as it does. Losses take longer to recover from but you'll have fewer of them.

[WWSports]

Last year, as a noob, I played it straight, buying the three points and seeing maybe one series where it would have made a difference. So this year, I decided I'd test how it went without doubling my risk for the extra 3 points (-110 to -200). So far, buying the points would have saved me significant money. So what have I learned? That you can't try to "time the system" and guess when you'll need the three or not. The system works as a system and buying the points makes the system work as well as it does. Losses take longer to recover from but you'll have fewer of them.

Very well said. It's like that Fram oil filter commercial years ago, "You can pay it now or you can pay it later."

[Wallco99]

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 40-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +2.71 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 3 (-8.74 units)

(2/22/12):
#45 Atlanta (+5) (A) - Win

v1 Plays
(A) 27-18
(B) 6-11
(C) 4-5
(D) 3-2

V2 Plays
In production


All Star Break:
#42 Resumes (C) on 2/28/12
#43 Resumes (C) on 2/28/12
#44 Resumes (B) on 2/28/12

[jrsync]

I have question .

What does mean 7/5 system ? and how play its ?

Please answer me .
Thanks all.

[thelimit0310]

If your not going to buy points you need to play 1-3-5 or even better yet 7/5, you can't play it straight. Last season was the exception not the rule.

[thelimit0310]

I have question .

What does mean 7/5 system ? and how play its ?

Please answer me .
Thanks all.

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[bisturis]

Listen here JM, I read every single post that is made in here. I'm just trying to see who is out there that is playing the same way I am. Just because one person was back "3" pages ago doesn't mean they are now. Or there might be people who don't post that might because I asked a question that is revelant to them. This is a FORUM. Where we're allowed to communicate. Unless you, aka, The Forum Police, decide that other peoples questions arent worthy to be discussed. Maybe I should have just asked for 50 ridiculous requests from people instead and then you wouldn't have been so rude.

[bisturis]

If your not going to buy points you need to play 1-3-5 or even better yet 7/5, you can't play it straight. Last season was the exception not the rule.

I play using a labby line. Will that work without buying the points?

[knugen]

Yes it does really good, im up 33 units with my labby, thats a little bit less maybe than the 1-3-5 and 7/5 method but i do it to minimize the risk

[Wallco99]

I have no idea how many times we discussed this in this forum, but our writing falls on death ears so to speak.

If a post is really long do not be afraid to read it. Usually some good statistically information in it; including exactly what your talking about. Probably discussed it 30 times in this thread. Im sure every 3 pages has your answer at least once.

What the hell are "Death Ears"? Is that like Spock or something?

[thelimit0310]

I play using a labby line. Will that work without buying the points?

Yeah it will! The labby works very well the only problem with it is losing streaks and you will accumulate more losses because you aren't buying points. For example earlier this season the A bets had a terrible streak. If things get gloomy for a week or so you can easily end up with 8+ numbers on a line and the bet sizes being triple original size. You also have to factor in as I said the extra losses, there have been 3-4 losses that could have been avoided buying points.

I used to labby and still do depending on the system but I've learned that if its possible to turn good profit only playing "set" amounts (ie, 7 units on B and net 5 on C, regardless of whats going on that's what it is) then I would rather play it that way. People say labbying minimizes risk but if you get an inflated line you will find yourself a nervous wreck risking inflated numbers every day trying to clear as opposed to playing a set amount regardless of what's happening.

[WWSports]

I'm sooooo confused!!!!!!!

I hate the ALL STAR BREAK!!!