1. 01-22-14 04:20 PM #1
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    NASCAR - Offseason Thread

    What's up guys. Wanted to get together a thread to discuss all the offseason topics. (future bets, rules changes, equipment changes, leans, etc). Speedweeks is getting closer and closer, time to spark the discussion

    Nascar released the qualifying format change today pasted below, what you guys think? I was not a fan of the idea before but looks interesting so I might have to give it a

    At tracks measuring 1.25 miles in length or larger, qualifying for the Coors Light Pole Award will consist of three rounds:
    • The first qualifying elimination round will be 25 minutes in duration and includes all cars/trucks. The 24 cars/trucks that post the fastest single lap from the first qualifying round will advance to the second round.

    • The remaining cars/trucks will be sorted based on their times posted in the first round of qualifying in descending order.

    • The second qualifying elimination round will be 10 minutes in duration and the 12 cars/trucks that post the fastest single lap time will advance to the third and final round. The fastest remaining cars/trucks earn positions 13th through 24th based on their times posted in qualifying in descending order.


    • The third and final qualifying round will be five minutes in duration and the fastest single lap time will determine positions 1st through 12th in descending order.

    • There will be a five-minute break between each qualifying round

    At tracks measuring less than 1.25 miles, qualifying for the Coors Light Pole Award will consist of two rounds:

    • The first qualifying elimination round will be 30 minutes in duration and includes all cars/trucks. The 12 cars/trucks that post the fastest single lap time from the first qualifying round will advance to the second and final round.

    • The remaining cars/trucks will be sorted based on their times posted in the first round of qualifying in descending order.

    • There will be a 10-minute break between the two qualifying rounds.

    • The second and final qualifying round will be 10 minutes in duration and the fastest single lap time posted will determine positions 1st through 12th in descending order.

    The new qualifying format does not apply to the Daytona 500, which will preserve its historic and unique qualifying format. Additionally, it does not apply to non-points NASCAR Sprint Cup Series events or the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series event at Eldora Speedway.
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  2. 01-22-14 04:21 PM #2
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    Was just asking about you in thread we were discussing changes
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  3. 01-22-14 04:27 PM #3
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    Jay this will make qualifying bets interesting
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  4. 01-22-14 04:29 PM #4
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    I was just texting him. Lol
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  5. 01-22-14 04:33 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mike5 View Post
    I was just texting him. Lol

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    finally some excitement with qualifying...
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  7. 01-22-14 07:02 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Jay this will make qualifying bets interesting
    Not only that, but I can already see someone like David Reutimann going out and racing folks like it's a race, then getting wrecked in a qualifying
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHorne3 View Post
    Not only that, but I can already see someone like David Reutimann going out and racing folks like it's a race, then getting wrecked in a qualifying

    One set of tires rule will play a factor
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  9. 01-22-14 10:15 PM #9
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    Too bad JPM won't be around this year for this. LMAO
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  10. 01-22-14 10:31 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mike5 View Post
    Too bad JPM won't be around this year for this. LMAO

    Danica still is
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  11. 01-23-14 11:10 PM #11
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    Teams will still concentrate on doing one or two fast laps, then either sit out or use it to assess fuel and long run setup is my guess.

    They probably need to drop the 1 set of tires rule if they want this to work well, but i guess that will make it more expensive.

    it will encourage teams to not use full on quali setups, if they want to make use of the time.
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    Yeah the 1 set of tires rule is awful.

    What's the difference not like they can go faster after the first lap or 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mike5 View Post
    Yeah the 1 set of tires rule is awful.

    What's the difference not like they can go faster after the first lap or 2
    Agree, not sure how they can get past that with the current tire compounds.

    They use this format in V8 supercars, and it's kinda sorta like F1, which is an awesome format for those cars (F1).

    But... in those series the track gets better/faster with every lap run on it, so the drop off in tires can be more than offset by the improving track condition over a 10-15 minute quali session sometimes.

    It makes for some great strategic battles. Quali day is like a mini race day in F1 the quali sessions can be so good.
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    I am not a fan of tire rule or no changes during session having to wait til break. Hypothetically if Kyles bad loose off truck but keeps digging for more to advance to next session. We could see multiple cars wrecked. This I think really comes into play at likes of Bristol or Martinsville
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  15. 01-24-14 10:30 AM #15
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    If they added points for the poll, or even for the top 10 qualifiers, it could make this idea work.

    Poll doesn't mean enough in NASCAR races for teams to take risks to win it with this format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    If they added points for the poll, or even for the top 10 qualifiers, it could make this idea work.

    Poll doesn't mean enough in NASCAR races for teams to take risks to win it with this format.
    I agree plus you have go or go homers on old tires near end trying to turn fast laps. gonna be crazy during some sessions
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    Plus with tire rule guess we won't see anyone doing long runs to see how far they can go on fuel
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  18. 01-25-14 11:20 AM #18
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    Looks like busch is determined to win the nationwide and truck owners title. First he got hornish to sub in nationwide, now he puts eric jones in truck. Like the jones move alot..kid was solid in his 2 races last year. Would have liked to see bires kid nationwide as he showed promise last year in the few races he subbed for busch.
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    Solid is an understatement. Think he had half a dozen starts and all top 7 or 8 finishes, plus won one race. KBM truck team is one of the most exciting lineups for sure. With Kyle, Wallace Jr and this kid.

    After a few years of bugger all new exciting young talent, apart from Logano really, we seem to be swamped suddenly.

    Do you mean Kelly Bires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    If they added points for the poll, or even for the top 10 qualifiers, it could make this idea work.

    Poll doesn't mean enough in NASCAR races for teams to take risks to win it with this format.
    Giving a point to the pole-winner would make a lot more sense than doling them out to whoever leads a lap during a race, which is one of the worse things with the current points system. If they have to give a point for leading a lap, they should at least require it to be done under green-flag racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Solid is an understatement. Think he had half a dozen starts and all top 7 or 8 finishes, plus won one race. KBM truck team is one of the most exciting lineups for sure. With Kyle, Wallace Jr and this kid.

    After a few years of bugger all new exciting young talent, apart from Logano really, we seem to be swamped suddenly.

    Do you mean Kelly Bires?
    Yes kelly bires. Kid was good in the 4 races last year in the 54
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle vinny View Post
    Looks like busch is determined to win the nationwide and truck owners title. First he got hornish to sub in nationwide, now he puts eric jones in truck. Like the jones move alot..kid was solid in his 2 races last year. Would have liked to see bires kid nationwide as he showed promise last year in the few races he subbed for busch.
    The Jones kid is the real deal. I would take him over Kyle Larson in a stock car right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle vinny View Post
    Yes kelly bires. Kid was good in the 4 races last year in the 54
    I like him too. Kind of had his chance to move up 4 or 5 years ago and think it might have passed him by now though. He's 30 this year btw. Is why I asked if you meant Kelly when you said the Bires kid.
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    cant nascar leave shit alone for one year...now they're changing the all star race once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle vinny View Post
    cant nascar leave shit alone for one year...now they're changing the all star race once again.

    ratings keep dropping, will do weird shit til they jump back up. Main reason for qualifying changes IMO
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    Just saw arrowhead pulled sponsorship from Jeb Burton truck team. Hope they can find new sponsor, thought they'd be a threat for championship
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Just saw arrowhead pulled sponsorship from Jeb Burton truck team. Hope they can find new sponsor, thought they'd be a threat for championship
    Bad news.
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    Was just reading on Jayski they still have 13 races for Dale Jr. with no sponsor. I would think outside of JJ he would be easiest sell to sponsors from a marketability standpoint
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    That does suck. Damn.

    We we got hammered with a damn snow storm yesterday. Was pretty bad. People here have no idea how to drive in slow either which didn't help
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mike5 View Post
    That does suck. Damn.

    We we got hammered with a damn snow storm yesterday. Was pretty bad. People here have no idea how to drive in slow either which didn't help


    saw that news this morning. Big pileup on freeway in Georgia. Hope you didn't lose power
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Was just reading on Jayski they still have 13 races for Dale Jr. with no sponsor. I would think outside of JJ he would be easiest sell to sponsors from a marketability standpoint
    They also mentioned he already had $30mill locked in just for the 23 races sold. So not really a serious issue.

    Think Hendrick is smart to keep the price high whilst he can. Discount the most expensive team sponsorship and it lowers the benchmark for all others.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5mike5 View Post
    That does suck. Damn.

    We we got hammered with a damn snow storm yesterday. Was pretty bad. People here have no idea how to drive in slow either which didn't help
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    No we didn't lose power thankfully. Was 7 degrees this morning. We got about 4 inches in just a few hrs yesterday which is a blizzard for around here. Roads a sheet of ice. Wasn't good.
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    Wow looks like dega got hit with it too! Looks like a fun redneck slide
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    damn that sucks Mike, almost feel sorry its 61 here

    Opti I guess they can pick and choose where Hendrick concerned. Just thought they'd have all that done by now
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    Yeah I guess it's not good news. But don't think its as bad as the headlines make it out. It would be bad if he had discounted and still didn't fill the schedule before the season starts.
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