[SBR Lou]

RULES
1] CrazyLou will post ML's only for ATP and WTA in a thread titled "Daily Tennis Lines: June[x]" in the Tennis Handicapping subforum.
2] All contestants are to post their selections in each day's Daily Lines Thread.
3] There is a minimum of 20 picks, max of 30.
4] There is a cutoff of -599 on favorites, anything higher will not count. No limit on dog ML's.
5] Each player is to keep track of their own YTD, and post it underneath each day's selection.
6] Each play is to win 1 unit on a fav, risk 1 on a dog.
7] Any edits will disqualify that play. No cancellations.
8] All matches must be complete to have action. Retirements are no action and do not count as a play.

Wimbledon 2009 R3 Tennis - Fri 6/26
Game			Spread	Money Line	Total Points	More
Fri 6/26	17	A. Seppi		-114
11:30 AM	18	I. Andreev		+105
Fri 6/26	19	T. Haas		-142
12:00 PM	20	M. Cilic		+131
Fri 6/26	21	T. Robredo		-133
11:00 AM	22	D. Sela		+123
Fri 6/26	23	M. Fish		+343
12:00 PM	24	N. Djokovic		-385
Fri 6/26	25	F. Verdasco		-1011
10:00 AM	26	A. Montanes		+806
Fri 6/26	27	I. Karlovic		+158
09:30 AM	28	J-W. Tsonga		-172
Fri 6/26	29	R. Soderling		-445
07:10 AM	30	N. Almagro		+392
Fri 6/26	31	P. Kohlschreiber		+2050
08:10 AM	32	R. Federer		-4250

Wimbledon 2009 R3 Tennis - Fri 6/26
Game			Spread	Money Line	Total Points	More
Fri 6/26	317	V. Zvonareva		+127
08:30 AM	318	V. Razzano		-138
Fri 6/26	319	F. Schiavone		+200
10:00 AM	320	M. Bartoli		-219
Fri 6/26	321	D. Cibulkova		+102
08:30 AM	322	E. Vesnina		-110
Fri 6/26	323	R. Kulikova		+752
08:10 AM	324	E. Dementieva		-923
Fri 6/26	325	V. Azarenka		-775
10:30 AM	326	S. Cirstea		+647
Fri 6/26	327	G. Dulko		+244
09:30 AM	328	N. Petrova		-269
Fri 6/26	329	D. Hantuchova		-230
07:10 AM	330	A. Sugiyama		+210
Fri 6/26	331	R. Vinci		+1290
07:10 AM	332	S. Williams		-1850

THE TIMES ABOVE ARE OFFICIAL AND EASTERN TIME. EVEN IF A GAME IS POSTPONED DUE TO WEATHER OR WHATEVER, YOU CANNOT MAKE A PLAY ON A MATCH AFTER THE LISTED START TIME ABOVE. ON THE RARE OCCASION A MATCH STARTS EARLIER THAN SCHEDULED THAT WILL ALSO NOT COUNT. IF THE MATCH IS POSTPONED TO THE FOLLOWING DAY ALL ORIGINAL WAGERS ON THAT MATCH WILL STAND BUT NO NEW BETS CAN BE PLACED AS THE LINE WILL NOT BE HUNG TWICE.

[brock]

16-1 +12.95

24 N. Djokovic
-385

318 V. Razzano
-138

320 M. Bartoli
-219

328 N. Petrova
-269

329 D. Hantuchova
-230

[BeatTheJerk]

20 M. Cilic +131
24 N. Djokovic -385
326 S. Cirstea +647

[Matt Rain]

10-12 -0.67

31 P. Kohlschreiber +2050

[Matt Rain]

Adding:

29 R. Soderling -445
322 E. Vesnina -110

[illmatick]

illmatick 7-7 +2.3

30.N. Almagro +392
327G. Dulko+244
I. Andreev+105
20M. Cilic+131
23M. Fish +343
330A. Sugiyama +210

[j0hnnyv]

9 T. Haas -142
18 I. Andreev +105
22 D. Sela +123
24 N. Djokovic -385
318 V. Razzano -138


j0hnnyv: 15-4 +10.44

[cuteboy86hi]

haas -142
sela +123
soderling -445
cibulkova +102

[sportscash]

18 i.andreev +105
20 m.cilic +131
22 d.sela +123
30 n.almagro +392
322 e.vesnina -110
327 g.dulko +244
330 a.sugiyama +210
331 r.vinci +1290

9-13 -10.13

[MexicanStallion]

S. Cirstea +647

Total: 8-17 (-14.81)

[RogueScholar]

RogueScholar: 6-4, +3.16u

18

I. Andreev

+105

22

D. Sela

+123

27

I. Karlovic

+158

322

E. Vesnina

-110

[shantystar]

nadia petrova
vasina
djokovic
soderling robin

[Netprofit]

5-12 -2.64

Seppi -114
Fish +343
Karlovic +158

Razzano -138
Bartoli -219
Cibulkova +102
Petrova -269
Kulilova +752
Hantuchova -230

[Netprofit]

CrazyLou,

Max. 30 plays simply means this contest ends prematurely for many of us well before the end of 1st week. If there is few objection and many supports, should you consider to revise slightly to 50 plays max.?

[fingas]

R. Kulikova
+752

RECORD: 9-8 -5,87 Units

[aca]

8-20 -17.54

31 P. Kohlschreiber +2050

[Sforz]

2-18
-12.93 units

#21 R. Vinci +1290
#22 N. Almagro +392
#23 P. Kohlschreiber +2050
#24 R. Kulikova +752
#25 S. Cirstea +647

[yisman]

Originally Posted by Netprofit

CrazyLou,

Max. 30 plays simply means this contest ends prematurely for many of us well before the end of 1st week. If there is few objection and many supports, should you consider to revise slightly to 50 plays max.?

Completely agree. I don't like waiting until the next contest. The limit is clearly too low, and since we're grading it ourselves (except shanty, who can't figure out 1+1 even with a calculator and two days at his disposal), it doesn't really add to Lou's workload. I think 50 or 75 is a more realistic limit.


12-13 +5.57

I. Andreev

+105

[BestPlay2day]

BestPlay2day 5-3 +2.85

18: Andreev +105
20: Cilic +131

[RogueScholar]

Originally Posted by yisman

Completely agree. I don't like waiting until the next contest. The limit is clearly too low, and since we're grading it ourselves (except shanty, who can't figure out 1+1 even with a calculator and two days at his disposal), it doesn't really add to Lou's workload. I think 50 or 75 is a more realistic limit.

I was in favor of this at the beginning, when Lou could've realized he screwed up on contest rules again and made a substantive change before anyone's strategy had been altered. I've now gone several days only playing a meager portion of my real plays in this contest, and to up the limit now would leave me grasping for plays to keep up with those who have found an early lead.

Perhaps we could just get somebody other than Lou to run SBR's next tennis contest? I'm still a little upset over the fact that he posted lines the other night without the price on Vesnina and then was unavailable to fix the mistake until after the match had started. We also went 5 days before he could even find the time to collate the records and give up updated standings.

Also, since we're being asked to keep all our own records, why are we burdened with a max play limit and fixed staking? If I'm gonna keep my own record, then I'd like to be able to enter my entire card and designate the plays where I have the most edge as 2-4 units risked plays as opposed to being limited to this one unit either way which largely takes the element of handicapping out of the contest.

I have no problem with keeping my own score for a contest, but if I'm going to do that, all I ask is that my plays be as unfettered as possible and that the contest manager simply take the time to keep updated standings. Is this too much to ask?

["Sic"]

Seppi -114

will update record later

[yisman]

If there wasn't such a low limit, I would've made far more plays today and yesterday.

[BestPlay2day]

Originally Posted by BestPlay2day

BestPlay2day 5-3 +2.85

18: Andreev +105
20: Cilic +131

Looks like I missed the deadline on these plays so no action. Keep thinking times above are central time. Got to look at this stuff the night before.

[SBR Lou]

Originally Posted by RogueScholar

I was in favor of this at the beginning, when Lou could've realized he screwed up on contest rules again and made a substantive change before anyone's strategy had been altered. I've now gone several days only playing a meager portion of my real plays in this contest, and to up the limit now would leave me grasping for plays to keep up with those who have found an early lead.

Perhaps we could just get somebody other than Lou to run SBR's next tennis contest? I'm still a little upset over the fact that he posted lines the other night without the price on Vesnina and then was unavailable to fix the mistake until after the match had started. We also went 5 days before he could even find the time to collate the records and give up updated standings.

Also, since we're being asked to keep all our own records, why are we burdened with a max play limit and fixed staking? If I'm gonna keep my own record, then I'd like to be able to enter my entire card and designate the plays where I have the most edge as 2-4 units risked plays as opposed to being limited to this one unit either way which largely takes the element of handicapping out of the contest.

I have no problem with keeping my own score for a contest, but if I'm going to do that, all I ask is that my plays be as unfettered as possible and that the contest manager simply take the time to keep updated standings. Is this too much to ask?

Thanks for the feedback, the play cap should have been set higher and it would've been more useful had I surveyed the tennis sub-forum prior to launching the sign-up thread. I will make sure to take all this feedback that has been shared into account when making the rules for the US Open major. Another change will be that matches will be official after one set, since nothing was in writing about that this time. I apologize for the things that could've been done better, and wish you all luck in finishing up your plays. We'll have daily standings from here on out.

[MexicanStallion]

Originally Posted by CrazyLou

Thanks for the feedback, the play cap should have been set higher and it would've been more useful had I surveyed the tennis sub-forum prior to launching the sign-up thread. I will make sure to take all this feedback that has been shared into account when making the rules for the US Open major. Another change will be that matches will be official after one set, since nothing was in writing about that this time. I apologize for the things that could've been done better, and wish you all luck in finishing up your plays. We'll have daily standings from here on out.

Thanks for the contest. Obviously it was a trial run to see how this would go. I am sure you will make improvements for the US Open and more people will be satisfied. Good luck with the rest of your plays in the tournament.

Originally Posted by MexicanStallion

S. Cirstea +647

Total: 8-17 (-14.81)

Friday: 0-1 (-1.00)

Total: 8-18 (-15.81)

[shantystar]

so far 15-0 +15,admin you have any doubts!!!

[j0hnnyv]

Originally Posted by j0hnnyv

9 T. Haas -142 PENDING (SUSPENDED IN 5TH)
18 I. Andreev +105 PENDING (SUSPENDED IN 4TH)
22 D. Sela +123 WIN
24 N. Djokovic -385 WIN
318 V. Razzano -138 WIN


j0hnnyv: 15-4 +10.44

3-0-2 +3.23 UNITS

j0hnnyv: 18-4 +13.67 units (2 plays pending)

[Matt Rain]

Originally Posted by Matt Rain

10-12 -0.67

31 P. Kohlschreiber +2050

Originally Posted by Matt Rain

Adding:

29 R. Soderling -445
322 E. Vesnina -110

2-1 +1.00

12-13 +0.33u

[Sforz]

Originally Posted by Sforz

2-18
-12.93 units

#21 R. Vinci +1290 L
#22 N. Almagro +392 L
#23 P. Kohlschreiber +2050 L
#24 R. Kulikova +752 L
#25 S. Cirstea +647 L

2-23
-16.93 units

[j0hnnyv]

ahhhh shit I may have to recalculate my record.

Razzano got a free pass? I had read she won...does that count or is it a no play? I dont think it was a retirement...

France's Virginie Razzano was given a free passage through to the fourth round at Wimbledon when seventh seed Vera Zvonareva pulled out with an ankle injury.
Razzano, seeded 26th, will face either former Wimbledon finalist Marion Bartoli or Francesca Schiavone in the fourth round.


Lou please make a ruling and I will adjust my record prior to tomorrows plays. If its not a win every1 else who had her will follow suit.


Thanks.

[SBR Lou]

Hello,
Matches must be complete for action. She cannot be scored a win if the match never took place.

Originally Posted by j0hnnyv

ahhhh shit I may have to recalculate my record.

Razzano got a free pass? I had read she won...does that count or is it a no play? I dont think it was a retirement...

France's Virginie Razzano was given a free passage through to the fourth round at Wimbledon when seventh seed Vera Zvonareva pulled out with an ankle injury.
Razzano, seeded 26th, will face either former Wimbledon finalist Marion Bartoli or Francesca Schiavone in the fourth round.


Lou please make a ruling and I will adjust my record prior to tomorrows plays. If its not a win every1 else who had her will follow suit.


Thanks.

[j0hnnyv]

thanks that was my mistake. i read real quick that she advanced and never would have thought the match never occured.. lol.. new record will be posted with my picks in a sec.