Math question about the Derby

Pistol Pete · 05-02-2008, 01:03 PM

Expecting Ganch or anyone who is good with math to help me out here. There are 20 horses in this yrs race. I was wondering how much it would be to bet a $1 superfecta with every possible combination?

DrunkenLullaby · 05-02-2008, 01:08 PM

This is a waste of Ganch's ability:

20x19x18x17=$116,280

Better bring a briefcase to the track.

Pistol Pete · 05-02-2008, 01:13 PM

wow was not thinking it was that much. this was a few yrs back so I may be wrong but think I asked the book something about doing it and they said like couple grand, I could be wrong.

Pistol Pete · 05-02-2008, 01:15 PM

then again you could be right as I was last yr payout for superfecta was $865,000

cobra_king · 05-02-2008, 01:42 PM

Maybe you were thinking of 'keying' a horse ontop and using all combinations underneath. In that case it would be $5814 (Key horse to win, 19x18x17 for the other 3 positions)

Art Vandeleigh · 05-02-2008, 02:03 PM

Maybe 10 cent superfectas?

Pistol Pete · 05-02-2008, 02:14 PM

yea it was 10 cent. looking around hard to find limit that low. I even called the local track and they have $1 min. Not bad if you think about it. On ten cent if you risk 116 have a 1% chance of winning. Last yr would have on $86,500. Not bad odds, oh well was just messing around seeing what I could do.

rsigley · 05-02-2008, 02:22 PM

i know churchill got rid of the 10 cent superfecta for today/tomorrow because they don't want them clogging up the machines and windows

guessing the same for the derby

HedgeHog · 05-02-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

yea it was 10 cent. looking around hard to find limit that low. I even called the local track and they have $1 min. Not bad if you think about it. On ten cent if you risk 116 have a 1% chance of winning. Last yr would have on $86,500. Not bad odds, oh well was just messing around seeing what I could do.

Try handicapping the race--at least 10 horses have no to little chance. A Super then cost: 10x9x8x7 = $5040 (a far cry from 116K). For 10c Supers, it's just $504.

pokernut9999 · 05-02-2008, 02:26 PM

5dimes has .25 superfecta's

bettilimbroke999 · 05-02-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HedgeHog

Try handicapping the race--at least 10 horses have no to little chance. A Super then cost: 10x9x8x7 = $5040 (a far cry from 116K). For 10c Supers, it's just $504.

Best horses in the world have no chance of even getting 4th??? Questionable logic my friend very questionable and probably why they have been known to have 900k payouts on superfectas.

pokernut9999 · 05-02-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bettilimbroke999

Best horses in the world have no chance of even getting 4th??? Questionable logic my friend very questionable and probably why they have been known to have 900k payouts on superfectas.

We do not agree on much, but here I will agree with you

HedgeHog · 05-02-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bettilimbroke999

Best horses in the world have no chance of even getting 4th??? Questionable logic my friend very questionable and probably why they have been known to have 900k payouts on superfectas.

These aren't the best horses in the "World". Not even the best 20 in the US. Get real. Maybe someone can read the racing form to you.

bettilimbroke999 · 05-02-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HedgeHog

These aren't the best horses in the "World". Not even the best 20 in the US. Get real. Maybe someone can read the racing form to you.

Alright idiot best three year-old horses in the world, I apologize for not being specific enough for your empty brain. If you think that only half these horses can finish in the top 4 then you are a complete moron, I hope someone can read ANYTHING to you. I might agree that only 10 horses can WIN the derby but place in the top 4 c'mon man you can't be that dumb.

pokernut9999 · 05-02-2008, 02:45 PM

What has been the average payout on the supers on the Derby ?

HedgeHog · 05-02-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bettilimbroke999

Alright idiot best three year-old horses in the world, I apologize for not being specific enough for your empty brain. If you think that only half these horses can finish in the top 4 then you are a complete moron, I hope someone can read ANYTHING to you. I might agree that only 10 horses can WIN the derby but place in the top 4 c'mon man you can't be that dumb.

You support Boxing 20 horses in a Super? And you call me an idiot?

bettilimbroke999 · 05-02-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pokernut9999

What has been the average payout on the supers on the Derby ?

Should be round 10000 since as Hedgehog states half the 20 horses out of 40000 three year-olds have no chance of placing in the top 4. But it's prolly 100k, according to Hedge it's a free 20-1 return on your investment better take it.

pokernut9999 · 05-02-2008, 02:51 PM

Just read that the last 10 years the $1 super has averaged $104,000.

So if we can just took the top 10 horses the last 10 years we would have cleared quite a bit of money.

bettilimbroke999 · 05-02-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HedgeHog

You support Boxing 20 horses in a Super? And you call me an idiot?

Nope, I disagree with the 20 horse and 10 horse super box, both of those bets should be placed at burnmoney.com.