UFC 109 Rumors/Discussion

brooks85 · 02-05-10 09:46 PM

anyone who doesnt put gracie in a parlay, shame on you. Missing out an extremely high probability fight. Beltran has never even walked by anyone with the kind of ground game gracie has. Beltrans striking is just ugly and not technical at all. It works well against other hw with even slower striking. Even if gracie decides to keep the fight standing I like his odds, that is how sloppy beltrans striking is.

It is obvious why beltran is making his ufc appearance with no important wins or accomplishments in area of mma, it is for the benefit of gracie. Unless you count combat league title as something that actually holds any meaning.

and with all that, a striker going against a bjj wizard who has the size advantage, is never a good thing.

Kaladarus · 02-05-10 11:04 PM

Gracie is a good parlay for sure even with his ridiculous odds.

spartiatis · 02-06-10 01:30 AM

Kaladarus, you said it brother.

ecpenguin · 02-06-10 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by brooks85

anyone who doesnt put gracie in a parlay, shame on you. Missing out an extremely high probability fight. Beltran has never even walked by anyone with the kind of ground game gracie has. Beltrans striking is just ugly and not technical at all. It works well against other hw with even slower striking. Even if gracie decides to keep the fight standing I like his odds, that is how sloppy beltrans striking is.

It is obvious why beltran is making his ufc appearance with no important wins or accomplishments in area of mma, it is for the benefit of gracie. Unless you count combat league title as something that actually holds any meaning.

and with all that, a striker going against a bjj wizard who has the size advantage, is never a good thing.

Exactly this. I don't know anything about Gracie (just the Gracie name in general), but I know Beltran is awful AND coming in on short notice AND at a weight disadvantage. Great analysis brooks85.

squallsquall · 02-06-10 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by knownone

I have Coleman winning this 45% of the time, It's been awhile since Mark Coleman's been in an actual training camp for fight; So this will show us the real Mark Coleman whether its age or just lack of training that slowed him down in the past, I don't think Couture has any major advantage over Coleman outside of striking, If Coleman can take Couture down and clinch with him he can will.
I don't see Couture finishing this, and I don't see either one dominating the other so it should be a close decision.

I hope and believe you're wrong

Coleman was never good, in my eyes. Not even in his younger days. He was always slow and had lousy cardio. And as you say, Coutures boxing is miles ahead of Coleman. If Couture fights this smart (NO clinch against the cage) he's going to take it with very small risk of losing, imo.

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Foe-reaver · 02-06-10 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kaladarus

I think he will gas for sure also. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if Couture finished this fight.

I agree

02-06-10 04:50 PM

Might be the perspective of the pic, but Sonnen looks larger than Nate... just kinda surprised me.

1.0u Marquardt wins inside distance (-123)
0.5u Nick Diaz, Hieron, Herschel, Couture, Marquardt, Maia, JDS (pays ~550:100)
0.5u Paulo Thiago (+180)
0.5u Ronys Torres (-120)
0.5u Couture, Marquardt, Gracie (pays ~82:100)
0.5u Couture, Marquardt - Sonnen under 2.5 rounds, Torres, Tuchscherer, Gracie, GSP - Hardy won't go 5 rounds, Mir - Carwin won't go 5 rounds (pays ~1000:100)
0.1u Thiago, Torres, Danzig, Davis, Hague (pays ~2500:100)
0.1u Couture, Marquardt, Maia, Torres, Davis, Tuchscherer, Gracie (pays ~800:100)

02-06-10 05:02 PM

i was thinking the same thing, Sonnen does look like he has the bigger frame in that picture, i hope he dosn't grind out a shitty win here

The HOFF · 02-06-10 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

i was thinking the same thing, Sonnen does look like he has the bigger frame in that picture, i hope he dosn't grind out a shitty win here

Stop it. Get that bad Karma out of here. Nate will not let us down.

RobbReport · 02-06-10 06:55 PM

i really didn't wanna bet Gracie, i did parlay him but wasn't so sure.

The HOFF · 02-06-10 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by RobbReport

i really didn't wanna bet Gracie, i did parlay him but wasn't so sure.

Wow. He really shit the bed. I can't imagine how much money was lost on that fool. The line movement was outrageous.

RobbReport · 02-06-10 06:59 PM

brookes said shame on me, so i parlayed him.

RobbReport · 02-06-10 07:16 PM

Nover guys, i'm telling you! (or least i'm really hoping he wins)

Emerson has not impressed me much. I think those losses did Nover some good.

02-06-10 07:22 PM

That Gracie L stings a bit... An octagon debut at over -500 should've warned me off... argh.

JohnGalt2341 · 02-06-10 07:27 PM

So far I'm 0-2. I suck! If you want to win a ton of money here are the rest of my picks. Just pick the exact opposite if you want to make a fortune. Davis, Emerson, Danzig, Torres, Serra, Swick, and Couture. I've lost virtually every bet I've made today in every sport. It's unreal.

RobbReport · 02-06-10 07:55 PM

****!

02-06-10 08:02 PM

mmajunkie's live results seem to be more in line with the judges as far as scoring goes on the decisions... compared to sherdog.

RobbReport · 02-06-10 08:06 PM

i'm never betting on a filipino mma fighter again.

brooks85 · 02-06-10 08:41 PM

im shocked gracie had cardio issues period, let alone before beltran. Ive seen plenty of his bjj vids, I couldn't believe what I was reading on sherdogs playbyplay. Fight started out as expected but apparently he spent every ounce of energy in his takedown.

And beltran giving up his back to gracie, how in the world does he not finish?

Beltran pulled it out though, i look forward to watching it

02-07-10 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

i was thinking the same thing, Sonnen does look like he has the bigger frame in that picture, i hope he dosn't grind out a shitty win here

The HOFF · 02-07-10 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

i was thinking the same thing, Sonnen does look like he has the bigger frame in that picture, i hope he dosn't grind out a shitty win here

How could you do this to me LOCKSMITH????

02-11-10 07:48 AM

"Following UFC 109 last weekend, the promotion has released several fighters including headliner Mark Coleman, as well as Frank Trigg, Tim Hague, and Phillipe Nover"

brooks85 · 02-11-10 10:24 AM

strikeforce should get 3 of those 4

JuicedUp · 02-11-10 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by brooks85

strikeforce should get 3 of those 4

Strikeforce is the UFC's garbage can.

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