[The HOFF]

Date: Dec 05, 2009

Location: Las Vegas
Venue: The Palms Casino Resort
Broadcast: Spike TV

MAIN CARD

• Matt Hamill vs. Jon Jones
• Frankie Edgar vs. Matt Veach
• Finalist No. 1 vs. Finalist No. 2
• Houston Alexander vs. Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson

PRELIMINARY CARD

• Dennis Hallman vs. John Howard
• Brian Stann vs. Rodney Wallace
• Mark Bocek vs. Joe Brammer

[GoldRush7]

ahhh so its clear the the "Kimbo comeback" in TUF is not happening... so is Houston Alexander bumping up to heavyweight for this bout?

[Eccocide]

ahhh so its clear the the "Kimbo comeback" in TUF is not happening... so is Houston Alexander bumping up to heavyweight for this bout?

Rumour is that it wil be at a 215lb catchweight.

[The HOFF]

Matt Hamill +170
Jon Jones -210


Matt Hamill is no Jake O'Brien or Stephan Bonner. I think this line is a bit off. My guess is Jones will continue going down and I'll wait to get Hamill at over +200.

[The HOFF]

Spike TV on Monday issued a press release confirming the participation of Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson for “The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights” finale, which will take place on Dec. 5 at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas.

The release fell short of naming Kimbo’s opposition, indicating “Slice's opponent will be announced at a later date, pending on what transpires on the special two-hour ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ episode on Wednesday, Dec. 2.”

Strong speculation, however, indicates Kimbo will make his Octagon debut against Houston Alexander, who at a recent Nevada State Athletic Commission meeting, underwent a special licensing procedure for fighters over 35 years of age.

[clarkd32]

a line on kimbo/houston been released yet?

[urge2kill]

Only line out is Jones -210/Hammil +200. I'm on Jones for 4.24 units at -200. Fade away, I'm ice cold over last 7 events.

[GoldRush7]

I've always like Hammil, gotta respect a guy with a disability that can still fight at that level

[The HOFF]

The Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas plays hosts to The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale official fighter weigh-ins on Dec. 4. The weigh-ins, which are free and open to the public, begin at 7 p.m. ET (4 p.m. PT local time).

[clarkd32]

what is Jones wrestling background?

Hammill usually isn't in the best shape... and even though he is a great wrestler he doesn't use it as well as he could imo.

[illmatick]

Hamill at +200 might be a play

[illmatick]

what do you guys know about Rodney Wallace?

[terpkeg]

what do you guys know about Rodney Wallace?

5’9 light heavyweight, Good athlete, 3 time state h.s. wrestling champ, played D2 college football
Has boxing backround, 4-1 as pro, but has shown nice bjj in fights
Coming off of nice tourney victory on 9/5/09 in Aruba. Fights were two 5 minute rounds and he defeated Antwain Britt (collegiate wrestling stand out) by armbar in finals and defeated IFL vet Aaron Stark by kimura in semi who has fought many UFC vets and picked up wins of Alex Shoenauer and Andy Reese. Assume he has good cardio picking up sub against strong opponents in 3rd fight of night.

[illmatick]

5’9 light heavyweight, Good athlete, 3 time state h.s. wrestling champ, played D2 college football
Has boxing backround, 4-1 as pro, but has shown nice bjj in fights
Coming off of nice tourney victory on 9/5/09 in Aruba. Fights were two 5 minute rounds and he defeated Antwain Britt (collegiate wrestling stand out) by armbar in finals and defeated IFL vet Aaron Stark by kimura in semi who has fought many UFC vets and picked up wins of Alex Shoenauer and Andy Reese. Assume he has good cardio picking up sub against strong opponents in 3rd fight of night.

, hope we can catch him as an underdog, still cant get over stann beating cantwell in their last fight

[terpkeg]

what is Jones wrestling background?

Hammill usually isn't in the best shape... and even though he is a great wrestler he doesn't use it as well as he could imo.

High School State Champ, JUCO Nat'l Champion.

HArd to imagine Hamill using his wrestling to take this fight to the ground as he has shown no propensity to do so against much weaker wrestlers. Also, when he does he seems to either: 1) allow opponent up so he can work the front headlock and land punches or 2) drop bombs from over top or in half gaurd. Doesnt seem to control opponents on the ground. I do not think that will bode well for him, because if he allows Jones to stand with him Jones should pick him apart. His stand up looks far more technical and explosive. Hamill leaves hands down often.

This will probably be the most powerful man Jones has faced though which leaves some unknowns.

Can and will Hamill attempt to take him down and keep him there?
Does Jones have a solid chin?

I think line is accurate at current number.

[illmatick]

I like hamill here, I would put the line much closer to around -160 for Jones, Jon's stand-up still needs a lot of cleaning up imo, I agree with you about not being able to control guys on the gound but I think the takedowns alone can steal hamill this fight, I can guarantee you one thing, Jones has never fought anyone close with the stand-up ability of hamill, bonnar and Obrien are bums, Jones with the speed advantage but Hamill is both the more powerful and accurate striker

[terpkeg]

Ill, I agree with your take on the fight to an extent. I actually put a small play on Hamill when line came out because I thought the line was high (clearly i took a bad line). But, the more I break down the fight, i think that Hamill is going to have a tough time taking him down and I think he is going to get hit too much. His defense seems to have holes imo and I think Jones speed is going to give him problems.

But, Hamill striking seems to get more refined each time out and he is very powerful.

Should be interesting. We will see if Jones is ready to step into the upper echeleon of the division. I think he has only been training mma for about two years and we don't know how he will handle adversity. If he does get put down and beat around, will he crumble? Not sure. But, Hamill can take it and keep pushing the pace, that is for sure.

I would like to see the Franklin/Hamill fight again, but cannot find it.

[RobbReport]

main event looks good, can't wait.

[terpkeg]

, hope we can catch him as an underdog, still cant get over stann beating cantwell in their last fight

Hoping for a good number here, but I have to give some consideration to fact that Stann has been training at JAckson's MMA for over a year now. You would think you would see some better takedown defense then he displayed against Soszynski. Although Wallace has a boxing backround, he seems to keep his hands low and I would think he will be at a significant reach disadvantage, since Stann is about 6'1. Stann is a great athlete and has great power. Not sure about Wallace's chin. He definitely has a powerful right, but I would think he is going to want to dump Stann on the mat where he can use elbows (it didnt appear elbows were legal in the few fights i watched of his, or he may have had another finish), work to pass and look for submissions.

[ewrestling4c]

like the dog at +200, go Hamill

[The HOFF]

MAIN CARD

• Matt Hamill vs. Jon Jones
• Frankie Edgar vs. Matt Veach
• Roy Nelson vs. Brendan Schaub ("TUF 10" tournament final)
• Houston Alexander vs. Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson

PRELIMINARY CARD

• Dennis Hallman vs. John Howard
• Brian Stann vs. Rodney Wallace
• Mark Bocek vs. Joe Brammer
• Marcus Jones vs. Matt Mitrione
• Jon Madsen vs. Justin Wren
• Darrill Schoonover vs. James McSweeney

[The HOFF]

I am very disappointed that Demico Rogers is not fighting on this card. Out of everyone on the show it looked like he had the most potential.

[brooks85]

Brendan Schaub
+225
Roy Nelson
-285

Dennis Hallman
-110
John Howard
-120


Brian Stann
-120
Rodney Wallace
-110

Houston Alexander
-115
Kimbo Slice
-115

Frank Edgar
-455
Matt Veach
+375



Joe Brammer
+220
Mark Bocek
-280


Marcus Jones
-205
Matt Mitrione
+165


Jon Madsen
+265
Justin Wren
-325

[brooks85]

I cannot believe roy opened up -285. I thought the books would try to suck the public in on schaub. I figured roy would open around -150 and then he would move to be an underdog.


im also surprised marcus is -205.

[The HOFF]

Those odds moved with in minutes brooks, Jones has already moved to -255. I expect him to keep moving past -300.


Matt Hamill +220
Jon Jones -280

Brendan Schaub +220
Roy Nelson -280

Dennis Hallman +125
John Howard -155

Rodney Wallace -110
Brian Stann -120

Kimbo Slice +105
Houston Alexander -135

Matt Veach +375
Frank Edgar -455

Joe Brammer +280
Mark Bocek -350

Matt Mitrione +205
Marcus Jones -255

Jon Madsen +265
Justin Wren -325

Darrill Schoonover +115
James McSweeney -145

[brooks85]

i know the odds move fast, because of guys like me and the alerts .

waited for that houston alexander line for awhile. -115 is unreal.

[Immortality]

i know the odds move fast, because of guys like me and the alerts .

waited for that houston alexander line for awhile. -115 is unreal.

Crazy that it's now doubled to -230

[Eccocide]

I dunno, how long before there's enough value in Kimbo to make a play? I agree Alexander most definitely should win this fight, but he's now laying -280.....that seems a little stretched to me no? If I wasn't at work I woulda nabbed him at -115, but this price is pretty ridiculous now. Only thing that's telling me to not even bother is Kimbo's bad weight cut. The guy didn't even get a professional to help him. Said he's already at weight and doesn't even know what water-cutting is.....lol.

[brooks85]

i can't do shit with these lines now at 5d or betus. Too much movement, no more value. Except hallman.
I definitely did not give the public enough credit. I figured they would be all over schuab.

[Bread]

I am very disappointed that Demico Rogers is not fighting on this card. Out of everyone on the show it looked like he had the most potential.

Agreed. He should've been given another shot over Titties or Mitrione.

[The HOFF]

MAIN CARD

• Roy Nelson (263) vs. Brendan Schaub (240)
• Matt Hamill (206) vs. Jon Jones (206)
• Houston Alexander (208) vs. Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (212)
• Frankie Edgar (155) vs. Matt Veach (155)
• Marcus Jones (262) vs. Matt Mitrione (255)

PRELIMINARY CARD

• James McSweeney (235) vs. Darrill Schoonover (254)
• Jon Madsen (247) vs. Justin Wren (251)
• Brian Stann (205) vs. Rodney Wallace (203)
• Dennis Hallman (169) vs. John Howard (170)
• Joe Brammer (155) vs. Mark Bocek (156)

[Eccocide]

http://www.ufc.com/live/

Replay of the weigh-ins are up. Tittie's Titties are getting bigger...261!!!!!

Ma Boy Big Country looks like he firmed up his belly into a kegger.

Jon Jones/Hamill win worse staredown in MMA history.

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