[Kaladarus]

Eddie Alvarez.

That is all.

[Vitooch]

Agreed.

[bogbat]

^^ nice avatar

Alvarez is going to destroy him this time around.

[Kaladarus]

I can't wait for the rest of the lines to be available on this one. Should be some good fights to bet on.

Also like to mention Eddie Alvarez.

[BIGDAY]

Loving the Friday action that we've had.

[mush]

Eddie Alvarez +175 on sbr - error?

[Kaladarus]

Not sure why they would have him +175. Might as well play it I guess.

[Rod_M]

Eddie Alvarez +175 on sbr - error?

Not sure why they would have him +175. Might as well play it I guess.

That's been fixed, not sure why would anyone play an obviously wrong line but of course all pending bets on it are now cancelled

[mush]

Well my bet was cancelled by sbr.

"not sure why anyone would play an obviously wrong line" ..

That's a cop out. Sbr should Admit the error - apologize to the client - then cancel the wager. Blaming the member is bad form... Take responsibility and show some class.

[DirtyX]

Alvarez is $$$.. Can't really see him losing, unless Aoki somehow grabs guard from a standing position and miraculously get's it to the ground. Bet the house.

[helpplease]

anyone seen Llyod woodards fight against Chandler ? he gave a good fight and actually won the second round against Chandler .. wonder how he'll do against Rick hawn who is more of a judo guy then a striker .. not to say his striking is bad or anything

[Vaughany]

Well my bet was cancelled by sbr.

"not sure why anyone would play an obviously wrong line" ..

That's a cop out. Sbr should Admit the error - apologize to the client - then cancel the wager. Blaming the member is bad form... Take responsibility and show some class.

Yeahh... To me in life you're either one of two. You're either a hustler or you're being hustled” -Billy Walters

[mush]

Word up! Anyhow, Alvarez should make it exciting! Hopefully, a nice comeback.

[MMAbetMASTA]

Yeahh... To me in life you're either one of two. You're either a hustler or you're being hustled” -Billy Walters

One of my favorite quotes ever.... that dude is a true legend, I would love to be him for one day and have all the books bow down!!!

[Crassus]

Alvarez is $$$.. Can't really see him losing, unless Aoki somehow grabs guard from a standing position and miraculously get's it to the ground. Bet the house.

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[DirtyX]

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That is exactly why I don't see Eddie letting that happen again. Correct me if I am wrong, but Aoki cannot wear those stupid pants in Bellator, so he won't have the grip that he had in the last fight. All I am saying is I don't see Alvarez letting this happen again. See the Melendez fight, that is how I see this fight going. Alvarez is going to keep it standing at all cost, and stop him with strikes... Watch it happen.

[Libert1ne]

I'm on Alvarez on this one. I think it'll be a either a KO or a decision. Most probably a decision. Already got ~ 10 units on him

[MMAbetMASTA]

That is exactly why I don't see Eddie letting that happen again. Correct me if I am wrong, but Aoki cannot wear those stupid pants in Bellator, so he won't have the grip that he had in the last fight. All I am saying is I don't see Alvarez letting this happen again. See the Melendez fight, that is how I see this fight going. Alvarez is going to keep it standing at all cost, and stop him with strikes... Watch it happen.

Word dirty dog...

One thing people need to remember is its in the cage. The ring presents 4 corners where aoki seems to always get his tds. He has a somewhat weak single and double, but he pushes it right up into the corner, and then will transfer to a body clinch (dude has powerful underhooks for someone that doesn't seem to have a lot of upper body strenght) to execute a trip or sweep, or he'll finish the single or double shot because his opponent has no where to really go, circle out to, or sprawl away from...

I remember this being a big discussion back in the pride vs ufc days of 04-05'... On sherdog everyone would argue about how the cage or ring might be more favolrable for diffferent fighters and how it made many fighters of japan look better than they really were.

I truly believe the ring VASTLY favors a guy like aoki where he has clear corners to put someone in and either execute a shot or suck them into a clinch for a trip/sweep. A cage does not allow him the same type of opportunities - his opponent can circle out and manuever out of danger much more easily as there are no sharp corners.

If eddies fights smart, and by fighting smart I mean fighting even MORE disciplined than gil did against aoki, then he should win this rather easily.

GIl has the jitz skill to somewhat hang with aoki, thats why he did pursue aoki's guard on occasion. Yet eddie would be a fool to make such a move. On paper ed and gil are pretty much the same style of fighter. Yet I do give gil a good sized edge in jitz. I think eddie is playing with fire if he jumps into aoki's guard at any point, or even tries to mingle with aoki on the ground at all.

Eddie best plan is gauging his striking length to simply pepper away at aoki from a distance and not over commit on his hands where he can allow aoki a good opportunity to clinch...He needs to constantly circle around and turn this into a true sparring match.

It might be boring, but it will win. If he allows aoki to get close in the 1st round when they're both dry aoki can definintely pull guard with success or get a clinch td (although ed's tdd is pretty superb from what I've seen). He basically needs to follow's gil's gameplan of using the cage and keeping aoki at bay with his strikes and when aoki does get close, shuck him off as quick as possible and circle away... and NOT jump into his guard on occasion as gil did - don't get sucked into aoki's butt scooting tactics...

Initially I was palnning to go really big on alvarez.

But Aoki seems to constantly get people down with his tricky ass style. However, I do believe much of this success is attributed to the ring. I mean really, look at most his fights - he gets people down in the corners.. In the cage I've only seen him in action twice - once he was very unsuccessful against gil and against beerhorn, welllll, lyle was an idiot and tried to shoot in on aoki and beat aoki at his own game...lol. So I want to assume that aoki's td success can largely be attributed to the ring, but we haven't seen him in the cage enough to really compare and make a sound argument for cage vs ring affects.

In the end I still like eddie though, just won't be going as large, probably 2-3x the line assuming he stays at favorable odds once he FINALLY gets on my lagging ass book site!!!

[Crassus]

Not as much the actual submission as what a child Alvarez looked like on the ground. I've seen absolutely no improvement on the ground from him. Plus Alvarez has been training with the blackzilians and short of Rashad their fighters have had some terrible luck. Aoki's been on a 7 fight tear through fairly rough competition and he's beaten some decent wrestlers in that run...I wouldn't say Alvarez is a lock by any means.

[Kaladarus]

Alvarez is a beast on the ground. Without Aoki's fancy pants and the ring I think it is very unlikely he will catch Alvarez. Alvarez can easily do a Melendez like game plan and take this fight comfortably.

[Crassus]

Alvarez is a beast on the ground. Without Aoki's fancy pants and the ring I think it is very unlikely he will catch Alvarez. Alvarez can easily do a Melendez like game plan and take this fight comfortably.

A beast on the ground who got submitted within like a minute from full mount...

[DirtyX]

Not as much the actual submission as what a child Alvarez looked like on the ground. I've seen absolutely no improvement on the ground from him. Plus Alvarez has been training with the blackzilians and short of Rashad their fighters have had some terrible luck. Aoki's been on a 7 fight tear through fairly rough competition and he's beaten some decent wrestlers in that run...I wouldn't say Alvarez is a lock by any means.

I wouldn't call beating the likes of Rich Clementi, Rob McCullough, and Satoru Kitaoka rough competition.. LOL.. Those are cans dude. Aoki would get slaughtered by any top ten LW. You pick anyone of them and he would get outclassed. Gilbert, Bendo, Edgar, Pettis, Chandler all would handle Aoki with ease imo as will Alvarez imo. Aoki is a one demensional fighter, and while I believe he is the best in MMA on the ground, he has nothing to offer standing, and you can't be a one demensional fighter in MMA and do well anymore. He will get KTFO by Alvarez, watch it happen!




Alvarez is $$ without Aoki's stupid fancy pants and without the ring imo. I mean, I wouldn't go as big as I wanted to intially, but I still think Eddie is a good bet straight up, even at -225 to -250 range.

[Hannibal]

wouldnt say aoki is one dimensional..
he is a specialist
he does have some effective kicking from the outside. I have rarely seen him tagged on the feet
his wrestling is very underrated . He has a wide variety of singles, doubles, trips, sweeps, almost always gets the body lock..

i'm with you on eddie though...the cage will make the difference. I expect him to be more cautious than the previous outing.
I'm really hoping to get some props here. Have a big play planned for alvarez

[Beelzebubzy]

Has Aoki ever won in America?

[Vaughany]

Has Aoki ever won in America?

Believe he cranked Beerbohm's neck like Soulja Boiiii in San Diego

[Beelzebubzy]

Believe he cranked Beerbohm's neck like Soulja Boiiii in San Diego

Aoki did superman that fancy pants

[DirtyX]

wouldnt say aoki is one dimensional..
he is a specialist
he does have some effective kicking from the outside. I have rarely seen him tagged on the feet
his wrestling is very underrated . He has a wide variety of singles, doubles, trips, sweeps, almost always gets the body lock..

i'm with you on eddie though...the cage will make the difference. I expect him to be more cautious than the previous outing.
I'm really hoping to get some props here. Have a big play planned for alvarez

I agree, Aoki is a specialist on the ground. Prob the best in MMA period. However, standing, he is lacking big time imo. He has very little striking to speak of, at least from what I have seen. He His kicks seemed to be used simply to set up the take down. His takedowns are unique as they are often executed from the clinch or body locks, and he is a wizard once it hits the mat, no doubt. I really think Alvarez will execute a Melendez type game plan, and win a decision easily, if not, Aoki will be KOed/TKOed in round one. Aoki has been KOed, and his chin is weak imo. He is just decent at not getting hit, either by pulling the clinch, or dropping to the guard, hoping his opponent will follow him. He has no striking to speak of, no head movement, no foot work. That is how I see this match up. Hard for me to believe that Alvarez will let him get the sub again, he will be very cautious and will defend against it this time I think.

[NunyaBidness]

[Vaughany]

Was hoping to get Weedman at better odds. No play for me now

[Vaughany]

Donny Walker might be worth a look as underdog

[Beelzebubzy]

Thoughts on Hawn?

Should be able to control the grappling here

[sirchadwick1]

Ha, Hawn opened at +180 on 5d and I nailed it... they immediately canceled and reversed the lines.

Now I'm on Cupcake at +180. I'll take either guy at that price... should be relatively close, but yes I'd give Hawn the grappling edge.