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    Carseller4, confirmed liar and scammer: just the facts

    In the interest of not having to repeat ourselves everytime Carseller4 creates a new thread begging for points, here are some basic facts to be aware of before extending even 1 point to this crap sandwich:

    -Leaving aside history from over a year ago (where cs4 got in deep debt, and was able to get out through the generous intervention of secretstash). This occurred before I started paying much attention, so anyone else is free to flesh it out...although he's proven in the last year and some change that any respect he might have gained before then has been longe since squandered.

    October 2012: CS4 borrowed 6k from yisman to pay dngf (robbed peter to pay paul), promising 6 pts per day plus 50% of winnings from poker and freeplays. Secretstash again volunteers to help cs4 avoid degenerate need to gamble by maintaining a poker escrow account to prevent cs4 from running to casino in a moment of weakness. Over the next few months, CS4 sends 6 points per day and generally lives up to the deal, but manages to get a further 6500 points in debt due to borrowing more every week than he pays back.


    February 2013: Yisman finally cuts CS4 off from weekly bumps (previously 300 points a week usually)(http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post17720516), citing the ballooning of CS4's debt. CS4 responds by only sporadically paying 6/day, instead increasing his transfers to casino and picking up various staking deals for poker to avoid squandering his own points in poker. "Mistakes" begin to be made more and more frequently, such as borrowing points for rebuy poker tourney (with the condition that unused rebuys are to be returned) and taking the extra points to the casino instead (for example: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post17916404). Worth noting that historically in the 20-payout format of poker tourneys with massive overlays, CS4 averages a profit of only 5 points per tourney.

    March 2013: Despite promising to turn over a new leaf several times and pay more for debt (,http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post18021316), CS4 continues to lose it all in the casino, convinced that he's "due" for an "epic run" that will somehow erase all his debt. Frequent lies and breaking of deals causes CS4 to lose remaining poker stakers, resorts to daily begging for poker staking due to inability to hang on to points without shipping to casino. Makes more pledges to pay 13/day, which don't even last 1 day (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/1969888-carseller4-yisman-loan-p18.html#post18101674).

    At this time, CS4 also declares 'bankruptcy", effectively announcing that he will cease adding interest to the amount owed (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...cy-filing.html). When nobody buys it, he attempts to play it off as a joke (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post18170228). A moderator (shari) steps in and makes it clear that due to his continued lying and scamming, he is no longer allowed to be sent points, with any sent points to be cancelled and returned to sender. Stakes are later allowed, with gifts and loans prohibited.

    Mid-march 2013: due to the generosity of a poster giving away 500 points after a massive win, CS4 receives 500 points (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post18111638), which he promptly loses. He then goes back and sneaks another 500 points from the poster (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post18113984) who mistakenly gives it to him. CS4 then proceeds to gamble it in casino and poker, going on an epicly lucky run and managing to send about 1200 pts to yisman (despite being up an additional 3000 or so and pissing it away in casino). After this payback, CS4 asks to borrow the points back from yisman, who refuses. True to her word, shari cancels the gifts and puts CS4 in the hole to the tune of -1000 points.

    April 2013: no1here decides to try to help CS4 get out of debt, despite overwhelming proof that CS4 is beyond help. He offers to "stake" CS4 for 80% of poker winnings, paying CS4 back to 0 points so he can play again as well (.http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post18289376). Several days later, no1here learns what everyone else did, and rescinds the staking arrangement (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post18493732). Shari cancels his staking transaction and CS4 is back to negative points.

    Additionally, poker tournament format changes from 20 places paid to 12 places paid; CS4's average poker return shifts from +5 points per tournament to -13 pts per tournament.

    May to July 2013:
    CS4 logs in every day and slow creeps back towards zero, finally managing to put all of his daily points towards debt reduction as he has no other choice.

    July 2013: CS4 regains positive points and pledges to make a fresh start (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...esh-start.html). This lasts for approximately 2 weeks before relapsing to few to no points (despite continued donations from non-pros).

    August 2013: CS4 continues to jerk yisman around, mixing it up with new lows like trying to sell freeplays to yisman and never showing anything but a fake ticket (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...l#post19456640). Despite the shenanigans, CS4 is somehow not banned.


    September 2013: CS4 loses pro status, and despite claiming to pay up $200 to maintain pro status, he doesn't. Despite hitting a royal flush and getting a 1500 point rollover, he clears exactly 0 of it (I was at his table, didn't even get halfway through before losing it all). Steals the winnings from a freeplay he sold to yisman (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...-start-p8.html) and wastes them in casino trying to get to 3k to renew.

    October 2013: After going on the run of a lifetime in the casino, CS4 manages to amass 3k points to renew pro and does so. Pledges anew to resume repayment; immediately fails to follow through on previously promised 6/day.

    Present: In the 7 weeks since regaining pro status, CS4 has managed to live up to his promised 6/day less than 15% of the time. Additionally, he has averaged a measly payback of 4 points per day in the last 6 months, the majority of which was given to him or to yisman on his behalf by other (well intentioned but naive) posters. Adding roughly calculated interest, the +4 pts daily would amount to over -10 pts daily progress on loan. Despite the above facts, CS4 continues to insist that outside forces (posters and mods holding him accountable for his actions) are the only reason he hadn't yet paid the loan off (conveniently ignoring the complete lack of his ability to generate points to do so).

    Instructions for this thread: In the interest of not giving CS4 the attention he so desparately craves while still warning potential newbies of his deep-rooted scuminess, please bump this thread instead of replying in any of CS4's begging threads. This way, people can be warned and the same arguments won't have to presented over and over again.
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    For example: CS4's current begging thread has a more recent response than this one. Therefore:

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    Didnt he steal from charity few years ago? Was given points to buy charity donation or enter charity poker tournament (dont remember which it was) and then took points to casino instead and lost them. Anybody remembers this?

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    Someone offered to pay for people to enter charity tourney

    Car seller took the pts to the casino

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    Don't deal with him - just catch him at a poker table to get your loan back. EZ!

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    I think secret stash gave him 300 for charity tournament


    Car seller eventually repaid the charity by buying in the store I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robber View Post
    Someone offered to pay for people to enter charity tourney

    Car seller took the pts to the casino
    ... and LOST??? How shocking!

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    Carseller it the most worthless piece of shit loser to ever log on to sbr. Anybody dumb enough to even think this slime ball scam queen will ever repay his debts, is living in a fantasy dream world.

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    Pretty fair assessment of the situation.

    I like the fact you documented Shari's unprecedented messing with a poster to poster loan. Something unheard of from SBR, after SBR warned lenders they would not step in on situations like this.

    Probably why Shari got fired in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    September 2013: CS4 loses pro status, and despite claiming to pay up $200 to maintain pro status, he doesn't. Despite hitting a royal flush and getting a 1500 point rollover, he clears exactly 0 of it (I was at his table, didn't even get halfway through before losing it all). Steals the winnings from a freeplay he sold to yisman (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/...-start-p8.html) and wastes them in casino trying to get to 3k to renew.

    October 2013: After going on the run of a lifetime in the casino, CS4 manages to amass 3k points to renew pro and does so. Pledges anew to resume repayment; immediately fails to follow through on previously promised 6/day.
    I thought you have to be a PRO to be able to renew with points

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    shari s nothing to do with how u scam people and don't pay your loans on time like promise.dont try to blame her for your total disregard u have towards people who try to help u out and u shit on them.maybe u should ask santa to give u some common sense for Christmas and don't try to blame other people for your screw up

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    Enough is enough! Is this not the bullying that SBR cares to stop? I knew that it would be pick and choose and so be it. These guys speaking here fail to say exactly what it was that Carsellers4 did to them. I gotta wonder why they all have their noses up Carsellers4 butthole. Maybe it is because Carsellers4 is very important. Not many can do a run like he did to renew his pro membership. Not many here brings SBR the support that Carsellers4 does.

    Carsellers4 has not failed here and won't. If you are not a scammer then it is you that has failed. First rule in gambling- ALL IS FAIR! I believe most speaking here are two face and have pulled a scam of their own recently. I know I have and plenty of them.
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    and I bet u believe in santa claus too huh

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    Quote Originally Posted by horja1 View Post
    I thought you have to be a PRO to be able to renew with points
    No. If you were a pro, you can renew with points even if it lapses (I think you have a few months). The difference is that you can only keep 3k points, while if you renew immediately, you can keep any amount. That doesn't really factor in so much because if you had that many points, you'd never let it lapse anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiler View Post
    maybe u should ask santa to give u some common sense for Christmas and don't try to blame other people for your screw up
    he would probably sell it for betpoints and stiff the buyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1here View Post
    Enough is enough! Is this not the bullying that SBR cares to stop? I knew that it would be pick and choose and so be it. These guys speaking here fail to say exactly what it was that Carsellers4 did to them. I gotta wonder why they all have their noses up Carsellers4 butthole. Maybe it is because Carsellers4 is very important. Not many can do a run like he did to renew his pro membership. Not many here brings SBR the support that Carsellers4 does.

    Carsellers4 has not failed here and won't. If you are not a scammer then it is you that has failed. First rule in gambling- ALL IS FAIR! I believe most speaking here are two face and have pulled a scam of their own recently. I know I have and plenty of them.

    You've got to be trolling here or you have smoked away a crucial part of your brains ability to reason. Carseller has always broken agreements, lied and said whatever he thought would get him what he wanted.

    He made an agreement with me years ago that he would pay me daily points (this was when poker was free) and the kicker of the deal was if he did not send his points then he was penalized interest daily. He lasted a few days and HE decided the deal was no longer valid simply because he wanted to do something else with his points.

    Last time he ran up this kind of debt all his borrowers had to agree to take a haircut after they had waited for a year to get paid by him.

    Plain and simple guy has always been a piece of shit and you constantly defending him and giving him points make you appear of the same cloth (which you later confirm with your ALL IS FAIR rant). Of course its gambling and generally the scum seems to come out in people. But not all who partake in this hobby are dirtbags.
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    I for one would be proud to have the bully badge because of my actions/statements against Carseller.

    One thing I think that is missed in this concern of "bullying" is that this forum is a community of like minded people (this community is a microcosm of a larger society).

    When one of the community (i.e. society) transgresses against another, the only way to attempt reparations is for group "shaming".

    In a regular democratic society, there would be laws and punishments for these transgressions.

    Call that bullying or not but it really is the only tool in the arsenal of everybody on this forum to ensure fairness and correct behavior is adhered to.

    Denying that Carseller4 has lied and scammed his way into debt with no remorse nor honest attempts at reparations is just ignoring reality. Therefore this type of backlash is only reasonable, to be expected and should be encouraged.

    I think this is the first time in my life I have been called a bully and I am kinda proud of it (because it is not true)... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1here View Post
    Enough is enough! Is this not the bullying that SBR cares to stop? I knew that it would be pick and choose and so be it. These guys speaking here fail to say exactly what it was that Carsellers4 did to them. I gotta wonder why they all have their noses up Carsellers4 butthole. Maybe it is because Carsellers4 is very important. Not many can do a run like he did to renew his pro membership. Not many here brings SBR the support that Carsellers4 does.

    Carsellers4 has not failed here and won't. If you are not a scammer then it is you that has failed. First rule in gambling- ALL IS FAIR! I believe most speaking here are two face and have pulled a scam of their own recently. I know I have and plenty of them.
    Really can't understand, for the life of me, how this guy sees things through such cloudy goggles....

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/saloon/163...left-live.html
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    Thank you Triple, very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1here View Post
    Enough is enough! Is this not the bullying that SBR cares to stop? I knew that it would be pick and choose and so be it. These guys speaking here fail to say exactly what it was that Carsellers4 did to them. I gotta wonder why they all have their noses up Carsellers4 butthole. Maybe it is because Carsellers4 is very important. Not many can do a run like he did to renew his pro membership. Not many here brings SBR the support that Carsellers4 does.

    Carsellers4 has not failed here and won't. If you are not a scammer then it is you that has failed. First rule in gambling- ALL IS FAIR! I believe most speaking here are two face and have pulled a scam of their own recently. I know I have and plenty of them.
    So cs4 is your hero

    I guess pos69 is also a hero of yours

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    Solid thread.

    Check your PM Triple_D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerDog99 View Post



    One of my all time faves!

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    why you hurting the reputation of used car salesmen?

    their reputation was so great to begin with...

    "She's a runner!"

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    What an epic thread this is.

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    What a history Carseller has created. I'm looking to catch you in no time CS with our debts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MexicanStallion View Post
    What a history Carseller has created. I'm looking to catch you in no time CS with our debts.
    I wish you the best, but you still owe twice as much as I do. So that is going to be tough.

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    I need 10 for poker tonight if anyone wants to help out.

    Thought about making a thread about it, but I like this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carseller4 View Post
    I need 10 for poker tonight if anyone wants to help out.

    Thought about making a thread about it, but I like this one.
    Still a little short if anyone wants to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carseller4 View Post
    Still a little short if anyone wants to help.
    You cashed yesterday, f you had any skills you would have bee able to meet rollover & have your own pts, instead of seeking handouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    You cashed yesterday, f you had any skills you would have bee able to meet rollover & have your own pts, instead of seeking handouts.
    You are right.

    Not a good rollover attempt on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1here View Post
    Enough is enough! Is this not the bullying that SBR cares to stop? I knew that it would be pick and choose and so be it. These guys speaking here fail to say exactly what it was that Carsellers4 did to them. I gotta wonder why they all have their noses up Carsellers4 butthole. Maybe it is because Carsellers4 is very important. Not many can do a run like he did to renew his pro membership. Not many here brings SBR the support that Carsellers4 does.

    Carsellers4 has not failed here and won't. If you are not a scammer then it is you that has failed. First rule in gambling- ALL IS FAIR! I believe most speaking here are two face and have pulled a scam of their own recently. I know I have and plenty of them.
    What a freaking idiot you are...holy hell.
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