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Old 08-19-2007, 06:43 PM   #1
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Default Help me understand this line for Monday please!!

Wakefield is 9-3 in his last 12 starts dating to June 12. Against the Devil Rays, he has been simply dominant. His career record against Tampa is 18-2, with a 2.83 ERA. Those numbers at Tropicana Field: 8-0, 2.33.

Boston is only -102????
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:44 PM   #2
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i would have to say THIS IS NOT A GAME I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BETTING ON AT ALL.

-102? FISHY
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:45 PM   #3
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Real fishy...
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:46 PM   #4
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Tampa Is That Team That Is A Hit Or Miss.when They Should Win They Dont And When They Should Not Win They Do.....and The Line Being Almost A Pick Is Because Thats Exactly What This Game Is...heads Or Tails?

High Risk Wager!
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:47 PM   #5
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not fishy at all! some drunk guy did it..im putting money on this rite now b4 it changes thinking 2 units!
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:05 PM   #6
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Kazmir has given up 1 run in his last 4 starts, the other 3 starts he gave up 0 runs.

Boston starting lineup is hitting .250 vs Kazmir.

Wakefield's last 4 starts his ERA is near 4.00

Tampa Bay starting lineup is hitting .294 vs Wakefield.

Tampa Bay has averaged 2 runs a game last 7 games.

Boston has averaged 5 runs a game last 7 games.

The line is what it is because of Kazmir.

If I bet on this game I would bet the UNDER.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:06 PM   #7
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Because Kazmir absolutely owns the Sox. Ortiz, Manny and Youk are a combined 14/91 (.153) w/ 30 K's against Kazmir.

Under 9 is the play.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:07 PM   #8
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im doin sox and the under
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:10 PM   #9
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Because Kazmir absolutely owns the Sox. Ortiz, Manny and Youk are a combined 14/91 (.153) w/ 30 K's against Kazmir.

Under 9 is the play.
Wakefield doesn't own the Rays? I'd rather have Red Sox BP.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:18 PM   #10
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Wakefield shut them down Aug 13th. 8.0 IP'S, 2 hits, 6K's, 1BB.......not too shabby.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:31 PM   #11
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It sure doesn't help Wakefield out at all with Mirabelli on the DL either.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:33 PM   #12
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Wakefield doesn't own the Rays? I'd rather have Red Sox BP.
Yes, but of the two I think Wake's success is less profound and less likely to be repeated. Carl Crawford (23/70), for one, has had tremendous success off Wake, while no member of Boston's lineup has had any semblance of success against Kazmir. With a knuckleballer, it's always a mystery as to how the ball will be moving, and Wake often has control problems. If the Rays get men on base, particularly Crawford, Iwamura and Upton, they will run all day off of Wake, who, being a knuckleballer, is naturally poor at holding runners with his slow delivery. In a game that figures to be low-scoring, this could be the difference.

I'll say this: Having seen each of Kazmir's outings against the Sox, I would NEVER bet against him. No other pitcher in baseball makes Boston's offense look so bad.

If you're worried about TB's pen, take the first 5 under.
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It sure doesn't help Wakefield out at all with Mirabelli on the DL either.
Exactly. And Varitek has had significant trouble handling Wake's knuckleball in the past.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:52 PM   #14
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Exactly. And Varitek has had significant trouble handling Wake's knuckleball in the past.
Interesting
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Old 08-19-2007, 09:24 PM   #15
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ya crawford mite b good vs him..but is any1? and sox won last outting of kazmir's wakefield's knuckler is always good in the dome
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Old 08-19-2007, 09:33 PM   #16
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i hope the sox lose ttomorrow. go yankees
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First of all, reports are saying it won't be Varitek catching, it will be this new guy Cash, who never even came close to being a .200 hitter in the minors, with very little pop. Secondly, David Ortiz is hurting, even though he has done well recently. He's taking painkillers, cortisone, etc etc, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got the day off vs Kazmir.

So you put it all together, I'd say the under 9 is probably the best bet in this game.
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:18 AM   #18
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I Like TB -104
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:19 AM   #19
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Under 9 is a great bet and will be on my card tommorow. The moneyline is a coin flip and anyone with common sense will stay away from it.. The under already moved from being -105 to -110.. wouldn't doubt if it hits -120 tommorow..
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:51 AM   #20
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I also like Tampa -106...plus w/Mirabelli on the DL, Wakefield will not have the same confidence with whoever catches the game and how about when Tampa gets runnings on...a passed ball or wild pitch most likely will happen and help get runners in scoring position.
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Old 08-20-2007, 01:03 AM   #21
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Kazmir in the last 5 starts has posted a 1.14 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 40K's and no home runs, in 31.2 IP.

Then you add in all the other factors list above that goes against the Red Sox. Which one that stands out, is that Mirabelli is not there to catch Wakefield, that is a big loss.
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This game is a toss-up, so the line seems dead on to me. I know all aboit Wakefield's career numbers vs. Tampa Bay, but Kazmir is the far superior pitcher right now.

If Kazmir pitched for the Sox and Wakefield pitched for the Devil Rays, Kazmir would win 20 games and Wakefield would be a below .500 pitcher.

That aside, I think that Kazmir's current raging form and dominance vs. the CURRENT Boston lineup shoud outweigh Wakefield's career numbers over Tampa Bay that have been accumulated since 30 years ago (LOL).

Still, it IS the Devil Rays, so I understand the bookmakers' reluctance to make them favored here. Bottom line, the line seems very fair to me.
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I wasn't aware of the catcher situation.. 1 unit on Bos -102 for me.. GL
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:56 PM   #24
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I doubt Kazmir goes more than 5 or 6 innings in this one if they hold true to their word.
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Wakefield is 9-3 in his last 12 starts dating to June 12. Against the Devil Rays, he has been simply dominant. His career record against Tampa is 18-2, with a 2.83 ERA. Those numbers at Tropicana Field: 8-0, 2.33.

Boston is only -102????
Not too often u'll get a first place team at -102 vs a last place team, even though kazmir loves pitching against boston. It'll be a home coming for Wake and u just cant ignore his overall numbers against the d-rays. I'll be the only one that will take bosox today, plus tex rangers.
GL on the 99.9% D-ray board here.
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Old 08-20-2007, 08:45 PM   #26
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Wish they were all that easy.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:20 PM   #27
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Nice call IMG.
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