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06-10-2007, 05:09 PM
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Technically, it should be. WHIP is supposed to be a pitcher's On Base Average and an HBP is just like a BB or sacrifice in that it counts as a plate appearance but not an AB. That being said, I'm not certain if it's calculated in like it should be.
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06-10-2007, 05:20 PM
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I don't think it is.....since the formula is walk x hits x innings pitched. Even so, hit batsmen would have very little influence on WHIP if it were counted (unless it was weighted more) since most pitchers hit around only a handful of batters all year.
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06-10-2007, 07:54 PM
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Well, I just learned something.....
HBP's are NOT included in the WHIP. I just went to mlb.com and got stats for BB, HBP, IP and Hits allowed on a sort. It computes correctly without the HBP stat. It does not compute correctly if you include the HBP. Intuitively, that just doesn't make sense to me. However, I am glad Razz asked the question because I would have thought, for sure, that HBP's are included. Apparently not. E
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06-10-2007, 08:12 PM
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Like I said, it doesn't but it should. The purpose of WHIP was supposed to an On Base Average for pitchers. What is the difference really between a BB and an HBP?
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06-11-2007, 12:24 PM
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What you guys are looking for is really BRIP -- base runners per inning pitched. I don't know anyone who lists it. Guessing that whoever came up with WHIP liked the cute acronym for walks + hits per inning pitched and didn't want to mess it up to include hit batters (WHHBPIP???).
You can find OB%, Slugging and OPS figures for pitchers at several sites.
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